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post #61 of 141
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Originally Posted by agjiffy View Post

I'm not sure why you keep stretching to post, and I don't know what you are quoting, but here is the artisan:
“It’s Mr. Cleverley’s shape that defines us,” says George Glasgow, of the unique chiseled toe designed by the founder of G. J. Cleverley & Co., the company he now owns. “He,” says Glasgow, who apprenticed with Cleverley for ten years before the master shoemaker’s death in 1993, “used to describe it as the suspiciously square toe.”

Look, if you're going to be a dick and make personal attacks, at least take the time to read the whole American Express travel magazine lol8[1].gif article.

http://www.departures.com/articles/cleverley-shoes-to-come-to-america

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““It’s Mr. Cleverley’s shape that defines us,” says George Glasgow, of the unique chiseled toe designed by the founder of G. J. Cleverley & Co., the company he now owns. “He,” says Glasgow, who apprenticed with Cleverley for ten years before the master shoemaker’s death in 1993, “used to describe it as the suspiciously square toe.” That sleek, ever so slightly elongated shape has become a kind of secret sign, instantly recognizable to people in the know, that the wearer was part of the club.

Proves my point. This is not the same kind of square as KC shoe.

It's mainly are chisel toe with a slightly more perpendicular angle at the front. A far cry from a KC shoe.

For all intents and purposes, Cleverley is a chisel toe
post #62 of 141
Big novelty cuff links
post #63 of 141
isnt french cuffs without a tie considered bad too?
post #64 of 141

Crimes against Caustic Man? biggrin.gif

post #65 of 141
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

Crimes against Caustic Man? biggrin.gif

crimes against (5) cm foo.gif
post #66 of 141
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

isnt french cuffs without a tie considered bad too?

Funny that you bring that up because I was just pondering that "rule" this morning as I was getting dressed. Most people would strongly agree. And, in general I would too. However, I have seen some exceptions, the best being a solid color, cutaway collar, with simple silk knots worn under a solid cardigan or pull over. It can have a relaxed, elegant look.
post #67 of 141

a) This seems like a good idea

b) This thread should serve as a discussion thread. After Unbel is happy with some consensus reached, he can create a second thread for reference.

 

If we really want to complicate things (i.e. make things more fun), we can have this thread to establish what the crimes are, a second thread dedicated to explaining why they are crimes, and then the final thread will involve presenting the best explanations for each crime (with credit give to the submitting member).

 

I don't think this particular thread will be able to serve Unbel's intended purpose as new folks will have to wade through pages of discussion.

post #68 of 141

Just to add to the discussion, I don't think the black suit should be on the list for the simple fact that they aren't wrong, they are simply used in the wrong context by almost everyone who owns one. Perhaps it's not so much a mistake as it is a confusion on how to use it.

post #69 of 141
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Originally Posted by agjiffy View Post


Describe the difference to me please.

If you can't see the difference, no amount of description by someone else will help you see the difference.

post #70 of 141

What is wrong with the black suit? From a design POV, it creates a defined silhouette in any location, and a consistent look under any light circumstance. The contrast in colors with most skin-tones tend to pull the focus the right way. If there is something to blame the black suit for, it would be that it is too easy.

So the reasoning must be defined by culture then?

post #71 of 141
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Describe the difference to me please.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

If you can't see the difference, no amount of description by someone else will help you see the difference.

But we should try for the sake of others that might see the difference.

 

Square toes are ugly because they end so abruptly. Because chisel toes taper so much, this is less of an issue (less abrupt and smaller flat edge).

post #72 of 141

my understanding why square toe shoes are no bueno:

 

1.  usually cheap

2.  usually made from cheaper leather that, combined with the shoe shape itself, makes for awful aging

3.  it's a simple design (rectangle) that takes minimal design knowledge and crafting skill

post #73 of 141
Nope. They are just ugly. While everything else may be true, that isn't why they are awful. There isn't anything wrong with simplicity, and if a squared toe shoe were made by Alden using the finest leathers, it would still be terrible.

They just give the impression of a shoe unfinished.
post #74 of 141
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post


It's mainly are chisel toe with a slightly more perpendicular angle at the front. A far cry from a KC shoe.

I'm not sure what that means. I think the Gucci shoes you posted above are ugly and square. But calling them square-toed misses the point of why they are ugly. They are not just square-toed, they are literally square throughout. And I think the common thread between the Gucci and the Kenneth Cole is the length of the toe line: it is too long for my taste. I think that Cleverley shoes are generally square toed in that toe line is almost straight. When people refer to the chiseling, I think they refer to a slight rounding off of that straight line, and I think they are also referring to the slope of the top of the shoe as it meets the toe box. Here is an extreme example of a Cleverley toe that I would call square. Is it ugly?


post #75 of 141
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

If you can't see the difference, no amount of description by someone else will help you see the difference.

Yeah, I can see the difference between the shoes. And I think the Kenneth Cole shoes are ugly and the Cleverley are beautiful. But I wouldn't look at the two and say "all square toe shoes are ugly."
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