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I'm as white bread as they come and the Paul Stuart agents don't let me just walk around unaccompanied.

I thought that was well known enough to have reached meme status.

And at any rate, it seems fairly independent of Chicago's racial history given that it happened to me a dozen times in NY.

Really? I've never faced that at the NY store. I wander around all the time--often with a bag from J. Press.

Anyone there ever asked about your English?
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I didn't think Asians were subjected to that particular kind of racism

Also, doesn't Chicago have a large population of poor white people of Polish descent, who are also met with racism?

(I know nothing about Chicago, but I'm interested to learn -- it has a very unusual reputation.)

I'm sure there is racism of all sorts in Chicago. It is not a global city like L.A. or New York, yet everyone who lives there thinks it is, which only makes things worse.

I can only speak from my own experience spending time there as an Asian.
post #993 of 1166
Oh, also, whilst we're on this topic, what happened at Brown's Hotel in London? (If you don't mind revealing it.)



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I'm sure there is racism of all sorts in Chicago. It is not a global city like L.A. or New York, yet everyone who lives there thinks it is, which only makes things worse.
I can only speak from my own experience spending time there as an Asian.
Fair enough; that's interesting -- thanks.
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Oh, also, whilst we're on this topic, what happened at Brown's Hotel in London?

They didn't serve my wife and me when we sat down for tea. The waitress kept skipping us over. It took her half-an-hour to finally come over and take our order. Throughout the tea, she neglected to replenish our pastries and sandwiches. When I signaled for her, she would just turn away. I had to getup and go ask another waitress for help.

It was upsetting because my wife's family comes from England and she was really, really looking forward to her first proper English tea. We were told by many that Brown's was one of the best. I wanted it to be a special experience for her, and they treated us like garbage. It's not like we weren't dressed appropriately.
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That is a shame, and I'm sorry to hear it. As an Englishman, I am a little ashamed to say that service can still be very bad in London compared to service at an equivalent place in the US.
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Well, we were treated well elsewhere. The Dorchester was a much nicer experience, even though less charming an atmosphere.
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Is English not your first language? I mean that in full sincerity, as I see you are in Brazil.

I fail to see how a history of openly admitting errors, as I have, is evidence of arrogance. I don't think making mistakes and admitting them is a flaw. Rather, the past few pages suggested that others do.

 

Yes, it isn't.

 

I didn't say that. I, actually, applauded you, when you assumed your mistake and I tried to make you realize that your position would only perpetuate your character flaw. The "tell tale" of your arrogance was in your statement about assuming a mistake being an embarrassment, that and your Internet persona. Nothing shocking in my statement, about your Internet persona being arrogant, I doubt that anyone on this forum would disagree.

 

I think that they are making fun of your aggressive change in tone when referring to the shirting: it was interesting and unique, then, only by acknowledging that it has polyester in it, it's crap. The shirting did not change, you changed, which means that your view about it was guided about the mainstream.

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Yes, I was going to recommend the Dorchester for next time.
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Yes, it isn't.

I didn't say that. I, actually, applauded you, when you assumed your mistake and I tried to make you realize that your position would only perpetuate your character flaw. The "tell tale" of your arrogance was in your statement about assuming a mistake being an embarrassment, that and your Internet persona. Nothing shocking in my statement, about your Internet persona being arrogant, I doubt that anyone on this forum would disagree.

Perhaps you need to work harder at your English then. I never said I believed it was embarrassing to make a mistake. The statement was about what others ought to perceive at the worst, not what I myself believe.
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I think that they are making fun of your aggressive change in tone when referring to the shirting: it was interesting and unique, then, only by acknowledging that it has polyester in it, it's crap. The shirting did not change, you changed, which means that your view about it was guided about the mainstream.

This is a ridiculous analysis. I would ask how you reached the conclusion that my view "was guided about the mainstream," but there is zero point in going on with you.

Try to parse this: the shirting did not change, but my understanding of the shirting did. That's why my judgment changed.
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Perhaps just wordplay on The Nile / denial is a river?


Yes, is this! thumbs-up.gif
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I got one from Smith, but then gave it to my dad because he liked it.

I am still waiting on the Talarico . . .

My Smith's has made in Italy tag and the mechanism looks exactly like Talarico. Might even had been made by them.
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What happened?
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But I think it's funny that anybody would be praising the stuff like it was God's own shirting, only to then turn against it when they find out it has a synthetic fiber in its yarns. If someone likes the way it feels and behaves, why should it matter what it's made of?
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Yes, is this! thumbs-up.gif

Ah - I am slow.
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What happened?

I was addressing people who think the only thing that matters is how a shirting feels to them. In their case, the material content shouldn't matter. I obviously don't belong to that school. The whole point I've been making is that you cannot rely on your fingers to assess a cloth's quality or value.
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Okay, let's break this down.

 

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I never said I believed it was embarrassing to make a mistake. The statement was about what others ought to perceive at the worst, not what I myself believe.

 

I did not state that you said that. You stated (the quote is bellow) that assuming a mistake is an embarrassment and, to that, I replied that this view would only perpetuate your character flaw (arrogance), which is evidenced by your participation on this forum. Point, no more, no less.

 

 

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If anything, it's embarrassing to admit I am wrong and it would be far easier just to not report that I made a mistake.

 

 

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Try to parse this: the shirting did not change, but my understanding of the shirting did. That's why my judgment changed.

 

If your understanding about it changed, you changed. Common, I sure that you can keep up to this.

My point is that you had the stuff on your hands and you still saw potential on it, but, after acknowledging that it has polyester on it, now you see it as crap. It still feels the same, it still has the same properties.

So, your first judgment was based on what? In my opinion, mainstream opinion.

 

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