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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Ah, but you must consider character when it comes to style. The latter derives from the former. We don't discuss it enough, actually. Instead, we focus on what to kop. To save hurt feelings we converge on idiocy.


I would suggest that someone truly self-confident and of superior character would merely calmly demonstrate this and not need to assert it, and that the assertion of confidence and superior character over others can in fact demonstrate its opposite. That is all.

post #272 of 1166
I'm only about halfway through the thread, but have you considered the one-shirt for business and one-shirt for casual? They can even be the same fabric, but the business would be spread collar and single cuff and the casual would be BD and barrel cuff. I realize this is two-shirt, but aren't business and casual two completely different environments where there is not one perfect shirt that meets both needs, but there is one perfect shirt for each?

I wear almost exclusively blue shirts with a spread collar and barrel cuffs myself. I do have one white shirt also with barrel cuffs and one white shirt with links along with one pink shirt. But, my blues vary in terms of fabric- i gravitate to one though and have multiples made up in the same fabric so I can wear it more than once a week, though. And, the pink is the same fabric, just a different color.
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

I would suggest that someone truly self-confident would merely calmly demonstrate this and not need to assert it, and that the assertion of superior character can in fact demonstrate its opposite. That is all.

We're here to discuss style. If we cannot assert what we think makes for good style, what the hell are we doing here? Like I said, this is why everything degenerates into a kop-fest.

Self-confidence is an absolutely necessary component of style. Indecision implies the lack of self-confidence.
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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

I'm only about halfway through the thread, but have you considered the one-shirt for business and one-shirt for casual? They can even be the same fabric, but the business would be spread collar and single cuff and the casual would be BD and barrel cuff. I realize this is two-shirt, but aren't business and casual two completely different environments where there is not one perfect shirt that meets both needs, but there is one perfect shirt for each?

I will no doubt need a buttondown solution sooner or later, as my MTM Brooks OCBDs will need replacement and never had the perfect roll. However, I'm in no dire need right now, so I'd be happy if this batch of OneShirt is entirely business-leaning.

If I have them them done with buttondown collars (and barrel cuffs), I'll still wear them for business. A spread collar would be more ideal perhaps, but I hold to the principle that a buttondown is always fine for business wear in America.
post #275 of 1166

Here's how I solved the cuff versatility on my Oneshirt:


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This works with two buttons as well if you need an adjustable cuff diameter for with and without a watch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am anxiously awaiting my nomination for what ever the nobel prize equivalent there is in fashion for this invention.

post #276 of 1166
Foo is a very funny creature.
post #277 of 1166
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Ah, now I understand.

But it's not for me. I have zero problem wearing links every day. My only issue is whether to get a buttondown collar (which would mean barrel cuffs), and whether to get a single or double cuff if I don't.
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As a diligent student of Foo(tm), I would like to ask you about what I see as a slight contradiction in your preferences:

- you rightfully claim that when wearing patterns, two or three are the best (http://www.tweedinthecity.com/2013/02/01/pattern-matching-have-some-principles/)
- you expressed an opinion against wearing a tie and pocket square as the only patterned elements, on the basis that this makes them stand out as pure decorative elements

But when you wear a solid suit with one of your OneShirt, the only option left which matches these preferences is all solids. Do I understand it right?
post #279 of 1166
Get the spread collar for these, then get the BDs down the line. I would not make my OneShirt a BD if I had to wear it for business in NY, in finance, every day.
post #280 of 1166
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Ah, now I understand.

But it's not for me. I have zero problem wearing links every day. My only issue is whether to get a buttondown collar (which would mean barrel cuffs), and whether to get a single or double cuff if I don't.

If you're going to have an OCBD option no matter what for more casual purposes, I'm not sure I see the value of them being your OneShirt, especially if you wear a jacket and tie frequently. Shouldn't the OneShirt reflect your lifestyle and typical wardrobe sources? I realize you can wear a OCBD with a suit and most normal people in the US will not care, but I'm not sure I'd consider it optimal.
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Originally Posted by sinfjotli View Post

As a diligent student of Foo(tm), I would like to ask you about what I see as a slight contradiction in your preferences:

- you rightfully claim that when wearing patterns, two or three are the best (http://www.tweedinthecity.com/2013/02/01/pattern-matching-have-some-principles/)
- you expressed an opinion against wearing a tie and pocket square as the only patterned elements, on the basis that this makes them stand out as pure decorative elements

But when you wear a solid suit with one of your OneShirt, the only option left which matches these preferences is all solids. Do I understand it right?

You are dead-on correct. This is why the OneShirt can never be the only shirt in my wardrobe.
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Get the spread collar for these, then get the BDs down the line. I would not make my OneShirt a BD if I had to wear it for business in NY, in finance, every day.

You are probably right. It would also save me the headache of trying to orchestrate the buttondown fitting.
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

If you're going to have an OCBD option no matter what for more casual purposes, I'm not sure I see the value of them being your OneShirt, especially if you wear a jacket and tie frequently. Shouldn't the OneShirt reflect your lifestyle and typical wardrobe sources? I realize you can wear a OCBD with a suit and most normal people in the US will not care, but I'm not sure I'd consider it optimal.

Good points. I feel myself being moved.
post #282 of 1166
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Name a man of great style. Whoever you can come up with, he will be a man who found answers and then expressed them. He will not be one who ceaselessly experimented. If he had, he'd have no recognizable style to begin with.

Duke of Windsor? Are his answers in the crazy plaid suits, the inappropriate use of suede shoes or the father-infuriating formalwear?

Maybe the answers are in Astaire's necktie belt? Like a silken money belt, only filled with answers.
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

Like a money belt, only filled with answers.

Witty, Doc. Witty. biggrin.gif
post #284 of 1166
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

Duke of Windsor? Are his answers in the crazy plaid suits, the inappropriate use of suede shoes or the father-infuriating formalwear?

Maybe the answers are in Astaire's necktie belt? Like a money belt, only filled with answers.

Yes and yes. No matter how unorthodox certain choices may have been at the time, they were characteristic of the wearer.
post #285 of 1166
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Ah, now I understand.

But it's not for me. I have zero problem wearing links every day. My only issue is whether to get a buttondown collar (which would mean barrel cuffs), and whether to get a single or double cuff if I don't.

 

ah okay. I went with these George Costanza meets Ted Kennedy cuffs because I rarely wear cuff links since they come of as slightly age and/or rank inappropriate on me but I still didn't want to entirely pass on the possibility.

 

what's the consensus on wearing cuff links with every outfit? e.g. Victor SF wearing golden dunhills with contrast seam jeans trousers.

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