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post #61 of 440
This thread makes me ill. There has to be a better way.
post #62 of 440
College admissions should be blind to race.

If that means that the top schools are all filled with nothing but Asians and Jews, then so be it.

The color of an applicant's skin shouldn't be a factor at all. There shouldn't be a box to check even divulging one's race.

(And this goes not just for college, but for employment as well.)
post #63 of 440
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Probably a stupid question but whatevs: why did the US invent the SAT and put so much weight into it for university admissions?

Because it provides a uniform measure of intellectual capability. Grades are not uniform from school to school. SAT gives a good snapshot of scholastic aptitude.

The combination of grades and SAT scores is a better predictor of academic performance than grades alone.
post #64 of 440
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College admissions should be blind to race.

If that means that the top schools are all filled with nothing but Asians and Jews, then so be it.

The color of an applicant's skin shouldn't be a factor at all. There shouldn't be a box to check even divulging one's race.

(And this goes not just for college, but for employment as well.)

I applied as black for my community college. I'm not sure it affected my admissions, given that I was a legacy admission (third generation), but I kept it all the same. I was too chicken/mature to do it for my last two years of school.
post #65 of 440
Every month, when MrsG's student loan bill comes due, I seethe with anger over the heinous injustice that was her exclusion from African-American scholarships.
post #66 of 440
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Because it provides a uniform measure of intellectual capability. Grades are not uniform from school to school. SAT gives a good snapshot of scholastic aptitude.

The combination of grades and SAT scores is a better predictor of academic performance than grades alone.

Look at the data for the school we're talking about: http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report10.pdf

SAT scores are much better predictors of first-year college grades than class rank in high school (though it does have an effect, as you might expect).
post #67 of 440
White kids on the grade SAT borderline should mark "Native American" or some other minority on their applications. If questioned, applicants should threaten discrimination suits for challenging their race. If the school obtains DNA tests that resolve the question, no biggie. You can still be elected to the U.S. Senate.
post #68 of 440
During WWII, my father in law escaped Europe to Cuba, where he lived for several years (say 10). Can my kids claim to be hispanic on college applications in a way that will benefit them? Obviously, they should if it will help them, but they don't have a hispanic surname and are unlikely to have any other hispanic "markers".
post #69 of 440
Again, I gotta go back to the actual numbers. You can really see the irrationality of the racial preferences in deciding which marginal candidates get in -- blacks seem much more likely to get in with a low SAT score: in 2006 117 blacks with a sub-1000 score were admitted compared with only 89 whites. Yet the white students did much better: they had at a 2.66 GPA their first year, compared with only 2.28 for the black students.

Edit: for Hispanics the number is 304 admitted with a sub-1000 SAT, 2.35 GPA.

For comparison to the girl in the OP with an 1180, according to the data a 2006-admitted white student, not in the top 10% of her class, in the 1100 to 1190 range, would expect a 2.80 GPA her first year.
post #70 of 440
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Probably a stupid question but whatevs: why did the US invent the SAT and put so much weight into it for university admissions?

Because it provides a uniform measure of intellectual capability. Grades are not uniform from school to school. SAT gives a good snapshot of scholastic aptitude.

The combination of grades and SAT scores is a better predictor of academic performance than grades alone.

*snort*

SAT Scores and Family Income
post #71 of 440
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Originally Posted by Earnest Hemingway View Post

*snort*

SAT Scores and Family Income

Maybe scholastic aptitude is tied to parental income. Oh, but that would suggest that people who make more money have smarter kids, perhaps even that intelligence is inheritable.

That can't be true, can it?
post #72 of 440
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*snort*

SAT Scores and Family Income

What do you think that proves, exactly?
post #73 of 440
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Maybe scholastic aptitude is tied to parental income. Oh, but that would suggest that people who make more money have smarter kids, perhaps even that intelligence is inheritable.

That can't be true, can it?

Not discounting this at all, but they can also afford tutors. I used to work for an SAT tutor and they could consistently raise a student's SAT score by 50-100 points, even for students that came in with really high scores.

That said, they've had more and better educations in general. And they probably will, on average, do better in college for some combination of biological and socioeconomic reasons.
post #74 of 440
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Originally Posted by Earnest Hemingway View Post

*snort*

SAT Scores and Family Income

I was getting concerned I had not elicited a response like this.
post #75 of 440
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Originally Posted by Earnest Hemingway View Post

*snort*

SAT Scores and Family Income

Maybe scholastic aptitude is tied to parental income. Oh, but that would suggest that people who make more money have smarter kids, perhaps even that intelligence is inheritable.

That can't be true, can it?

This is full of win.
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