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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

The cards are stacked against them. But I think many of the students at the Ivies are from families that have incomes of $150,000 to $350,000. Maybe Gome would hazard a guess at a %.

i have no idea on the percentage, really. That's mostly because I dealt with an applicant pool and not the enrolled class pool. And my friends genuinely spanned the income/racial spectrum. Same story with my wife's friends.

you're better off looking at the Princeton graph plus the knowledge that something like 50-60% of students receive no aid.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

so in my experience, it's not necessarily cut and dry to ID the $350K a year family as we didn't have access to financial aid data nor did we ask for it (of course who knows what happened behind closed doors).

though we certainly knew big donors. And it's pretty easy to make assumptions on financial background when comparing somebody applying from the Bronx vs. Great Neck.

It's pretty easy to draw a relatively good picture of somebody from their hometown, address, parent's occupations, activities, interests etc. I'm not saying it is even wrong to do. It makes for a certain kind of student body. It isn't about screwing the HIWS, as Piob says, but about creating a population.

Oh, TJ you say a lot of dumb shit, and people rarely call you on it, but that was epically dumb.
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

It's pretty easy to draw a relatively good picture of somebody from their hometown, address, parent's occupations, activities, interests etc. I'm not saying it is even wrong to do. It makes for a certain kind of student body. It isn't about screwing the HIWS, as Piob says, but about creating a population.

Oh, TJ you say a lot of dumb shit, and people rarely call you on it, but that was epically dumb.

Just to clarify I do not think the goal is to screw the HIWS but I think this is often what happens. What makes it frustrating, like the 250k Obama millionaire, is anyone in the real world can tell you the likely outcome there but the policy makers plod along, in their morally superior way, and screw the HIWS and his/her family. What makes it doubly frustrating is the HIWS is most often the first person in their family to break out of poverty or lower middle class and the stated goal of social mobility for the poor/lower middle class is that of the very same policy makers.
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

It's pretty easy to draw a relatively good picture of somebody from their hometown, address, parent's occupations, activities, interests etc. I'm not saying it is even wrong to do. It makes for a certain kind of student body. It isn't about screwing the HIWS, as Piob says, but about creating a population.

Oh, TJ you say a lot of dumb shit, and people rarely call you on it, but that was epically dumb.

I've actually had the chance to speak with admissions people (not at HYPS, but what difference does it make?) and I was surprised to learn this is really the case. They set out each year with some class picture in mind, such as wanting X% high-achieving academics, Y% athletic or extracurricular phenoms, and other arbitrary but 'diverse' criteria and groups of people. Then they fill in as best they can. It's interesting comparing from the school's POV with what seems like a pseudo-random selection process as a student.
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I've actually had the chance to speak with admissions people (not at HYPS, but what difference does it make?) and I was surprised to learn this is really the case. They set out each year with some class picture in mind, such as wanting X% high-achieving academics, Y% athletic or extracurricular phenoms, and other arbitrary but 'diverse' criteria and groups of people. Then they fill in as best they can. It's interesting comparing from the school's POV with what seems like a pseudo-random selection process as a student.
I have heard this referred to as the "Noah's Ark" theory - as in each school tries to create a class that is a kind of model for society. It is both unbelievably inane and arrogant, but is pretty much the norm across the liberal arts schools. I have heard that MIT is an exception, as is, I assume Cal Tech.
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Just to clarify I do not think the goal is to screw the HIWS but I think this is often what happens. What makes it frustrating, like the 250k Obama millionaire, is anyone in the real world can tell you the likely outcome there but the policy makers plod along, in their morally superior way, and screw the HIWS and his/her family. What makes it doubly frustrating is the HIWS is most often the first person in their family to break out of poverty or lower middle class and the stated goal of social mobility for the poor/lower middle class is that of the very same policy makers.

Yes, of course this is the irony of it all. But think of what you people have done to these politicians. Every time you rise up, you deprive a politician of some individual to be able to tell a story about at some fucking rally in bumfuck, iowa.
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nvm.
Edited by itsstillmatt - 4/6/13 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I have heard this referred to as the "Noah's Ark" theory - as in each school tries to create a class that is a kind of model for society. It is both unbelievably inane and arrogant, but is pretty much the norm across the liberal arts schools. I have heard that MIT is an exception, as is, I assume Cal Tech.

I would have thought so too.

But, surprisingly MIT claims 50% minority enrollment, with about 3 & 1/2 times as many Asian Americans enrolled as African Americans.

http://web.mit.edu/facts/enrollment.html

I suppose Cal Tech is similar now. My cousin says that it was lilly white and Asian in the 1980s. I guess it was not as much a priority to be diverse then like now.
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Edited by dopey - 4/6/13 at 8:38pm
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The WSJ today also ran a response piece to the mother's original letter to the Princetonian, which takes a different tack and is less idiotic. And I saw this, which is kind of funny.


Link since the SF version may be hard to read: http://stevenliss.com/the-princeton-womans-roadmap-to-romance-diagram-of-despair/
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I lol'd at the "Teach Robot to Hate" step. happy.gif
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The underlying irony of all complaints about admissions to the Ivies as the very most elite universities is that most people who want to attend them are doing so almost entirely as a means of entry to the prestige industries, but the Ivies construct their admissions policies precisely to produce a set of graduates that those industries want. If the Ivies did not produce that group, IB's/consulting/media etc. would do their entry level hiring elsewhere. Those industries want some bookish super geniuses but only so many, they want some jocks but not too jockish, they want to hire a racially diverse (but only just so) group, and they want their new hires to be inculcated with a certain go-getter corporate culture which is why they focus on particular sets of extra-curricular "achievements" (and admit so many children of corporate execs and high income professionals; and so much moreso than academically oriented places like Chicago or MIT) and why they have so little interest in"high skill" students from lower socio-economic backgrounds.
Edited by AldenPyle - 4/7/13 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

from the Princeton website:

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Well shit, I should have studied harder I could have gone to Princeton for basically free. Instead my dad talked me out of going to Boston College because it was too expensive. I went to Texas instead.
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Oh, TJ you say a lot of dumb shit, and people rarely call you on it, but that was epically dumb.

You need to quote the dumb things I say because to me it all seems smart
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