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post #331 of 440
I have a good friend with four daughters in the Ivies (or analogues) and he's paying the full shot for each. He's still smiling and buying good Scotch so he must make more money than I can imagine.
post #332 of 440
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

If there is a group Princeton is looking to exclude it is definitely the 350k/year family.

We finally agree on something.

Maybe not exclude them but it sure makes it tough on them.
post #333 of 440
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

We finally agree on something.

Maybe not exclude them but it sure makes it tough on them.

No, exclude them. College admissions look for two things. They look for likely big donors and they look for statistics. Most kids from a 350k family give them neither.
post #334 of 440
so in my experience, it's not necessarily cut and dry to ID the $350K a year family as we didn't have access to financial aid data nor did we ask for it (of course who knows what happened behind closed doors).

though we certainly knew big donors. And it's pretty easy to make assumptions on financial background when comparing somebody applying from the Bronx vs. Great Neck.
post #335 of 440
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No, exclude them. College admissions look for two things. They look for likely big donors and they look for statistics. Most kids from a 350k family give them neither.

True, but with a lot of the past 20 years super wealth being made in tech, it is hard to predict where the current 1st generation super wealthy will came from.

Brin, Page, Gates, Allen, Zuckerberg, Jobs, Ellison, Doerr and many, many others have different backgrounds.

The only one that I know of that came from wealth is Gates, and his Dad was wealthy, not super wealthy.
post #336 of 440
What Matt is saying is that, as usual, the HIWS gets the shaft. Old money or upwardly mobile smart minorities...there is where the action is at.
post #337 of 440
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

Maybe because I never cared, I find it so weird that people are fixated on getting into specific Ivy schools. There are so many good schools in this country.

and really, I get so tired of people saying that diversity is ruining their chances at schools. I mean shut up. Until schools are majority nonwhite I really have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

This is really dumb on multiple levels.
post #338 of 440
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

i didn't really care that much either, but my degree has been hugely beneficial to me (same with my wife's Ivy degree). A Yale friend who is in her mid 30's was discussing it a few weeks ago too.

I'm sure that having an Ivy degree of any sort is worth a lot but the reality is that working hard, internships, and and networking is the most important thing.

They're both important, but a person with an Ivy degree who also works hard, gets internships (which will be easier for him) and networks well is going to do a lot better than a person from a tier 2 school who works hard, gets internships, and networks well. Like it or not, the Ivy name on a diploma gets a resume to the top of the stack.
post #339 of 440
I think a quality school, one not in the Ivies or comparable, that has a good basketball or football team also helps. The fact I think this helps is a sad statement.
post #340 of 440
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I think a quality school, one not in the Ivies or comparable, that has a good basketball or football team also helps. The fact I think this helps is a sad statement.

Where you going with this? I don't get it.

I guess UT Austin would be an example. An excellent school not comparable to the Ivies but with good sports teams. Texas A & M too. Both schools are fine for career furtherance in Texas but I don't see them as giving someone an edge in NYC or California.
post #341 of 440
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Where you going with this? I don't get it.

I guess UT Austin would be an example. An excellent school not comparable to the Ivies but with good sports teams. Texas A & M too. Both schools are fine for career furtherance in Texas but I don't see them as giving someone an edge in NYC or California.

Just think it's off base that if your b-ball team makes the Final Four that year it brings your resume forward if you're a grad trying to get hired. The fact your school's b-ball team made the Final Four has nothing to do with you, your ability, or had much education you received. Just the fact your school's b-ball team had a good run that year gets your school some TOMA.
post #342 of 440
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

Maybe because I never cared, I find it so weird that people are fixated on getting into specific Ivy schools. There are so many good schools in this country.

and really, I get so tired of people saying that diversity is ruining their chances at schools. I mean shut up. Until schools are majority nonwhite I really have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

Cal has been a non-white majority for at least 15 years. Probably closer to 20 years.
UCLA has similar numbers, but slightly fewer Asians.
MIT has more combined minorities than white, and Asians are almost at par with NHW
post #343 of 440
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

No, exclude them. College admissions look for two things. They look for likely big donors and they look for statistics. Most kids from a 350k family give them neither.

Bleh
Edited by norcaltransplant - 4/6/13 at 5:22pm
post #344 of 440
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Originally Posted by norcaltransplant View Post

Cal has been a non-white majority for at least 15 years. Probably closer to 20 years.
UCLA has similar numbers, but slightly fewer Asians.
MIT has more combined minorities than white, and Asians are almost at par with NHW

My cousin, the smart one, graduated from Cal Tech in the early 80s. He said that even then there was a huge number of asians and very few blacks. I'm not trying to make a point but an observation ( of his ).

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Shit. I know a lot of people who fall into this social strata. (Dual physician or single specialist households)

I think Matt was being a wee bit sarcastic, as usual.

The cards are stacked against them. But I think many of the students at the Ivies are from families that have incomes of $150,000 to $350,000. Maybe Gome would hazard a guess at a %. After all there are only so many super wealthy, and "diversity" type students.
post #345 of 440
Sarcastic yes, but I know a lot of upper income professionals who are constantly trying to enroll their kids into the best schools, best extracurricular activities, all while trying to save for college, etc. Sure these families make more than the statistical average, but their lives aren't appreciably "more luxurious".
Edited by norcaltransplant - 4/6/13 at 4:34pm
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