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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

The thing you don't understand is that there is inherent risk in bespoke. You have to be willing to loose the deposit. There are all sorts of things that can go wrong and the risk is even greater for a 1 man show. He could get sick, injured, jailed (e.g. Des Merrion), abscond and etc., and there is no back up. $5k is a lot to bet on one guy with no track record and there are many options, particularly since the major tailoring houses visit NYC.

I understand the risk of bespoke--for both parties. But Rory is not without a track record, and would be happy to provide references from Simon Cundey on down.

Remember--I'M the amateur here, not him! ;-)

For what it's worth (and I know that's not much on the internet), I think Rory is one of the most decent and honest guys I've ever met. There are a lot of charlatans in this industry, but he's resoundingly not one of them.
post #62 of 216
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

The thing you don't understand is that there is inherent risk in bespoke. You have to be willing to loose the deposit. There are all sorts of things that can go wrong and the risk is even greater for a 1 man show. He could get sick, injured, jailed (e.g. Des Merrion), abscond and etc., and there is no back up. $5k is a lot to bet on one guy with no track record and there are many options, particularly since the major tailoring houses visit NYC.

Well I think a career and a repututation is worth more than 5k and this is your guarantor as a client. People would be crazy to buy from a maker who fails to deliver and that 5k would cost an awful lot down the line for that maker.

I don't actually take deposits myself as a matter of course. If the client doesn't trust me before we have even began then I see it as his issue and that of course causes me pause. If he simply can't afford the garment outright that again causes me pause, but I'd be more inclined to a accept a deposit and take on a client under those circumstances if he was up front about it.

That's me of course and my perspective.
post #63 of 216
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Originally Posted by Montauk View Post


As you say, Mark, this is indeed a tough business in a competitive market, and Rory's only acknowledging that he may need to start a few rungs further down than he'd anticipated.

So on top of being the real deal, he is now--by any knowledgeable measure--a very good one.

Wow! Shill, much? I'm sure he is a great guy and a talented tailor. Maybe like a lot of talented guys the business side isn't a strength. And I'm sure you are just trying to help a brother out... But you guys need a course in internet marketing. Despite your intentions this is not coming off good and you keep digging your hole deeper. People have tried giving you constructive and fair comments but you don't seem to get it. Here is a hint : shut up already, and let the video and fit pictures speak for themselves. the lists of internet artisans coming on the web is littered with failures and disappearing acts : des merrion, that psychopath Jake in LA, mathew farnes, darren beaman, the husband and wife tie people, all the people giving free stuff to the shill ask andy....
post #64 of 216
I see the workmanship of Savile Row frequently via the policy of several houses to outsource within the radius of SR. However I dont see the tension.

Its clear why he has set up in the US: in London any client would head straight to the tranquility of 'the Row' because its got the status and a huge track-record which no individual could achieve. The issue of contention is an individual commanding SR prices on the reputation of SR without its backing or security.

I'd like to point out three things:
1. If you're a finickity client (like me) there's alot to be said for going local, because your endless returning the finished product until in my mind it is 'perfected'.*
2. I've been stung by a US tailor ... lets just say bad value for money
3. I'm not aware of a Savile Row equivalent in the US

Its seems fair deal, but it aint the real deal... just my 2cents

* IMO getting it right first/second time accounting for body asymmetry and differential creasing is just unachievable
post #65 of 216
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Originally Posted by fassbinder View Post

Here is a hint : shut up already, and let the video and fit pictures speak for themselves.

 

God, yes. You seem hell-bent on dragging Rory down w/ you.

 

Montauk - nice post on the LL. You truly are a class act.

post #66 of 216
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Originally Posted by gambit50 View Post

Perhaps they do some great work in the shop he uses in Ireland but even if that is the case, I would think it is a bit difficult to oversee it as smoothly and with as much of a hard eye as someone on location. 
This seems a good point. As a client I prefer direct access to the 'shop floor' head tailor and through him to the guy that did the work. Savile Row does outsource however.

Regardless building a long term relationship with the head tailor counts for alot of customer satisfaction and the guy has very good reasons for outsourcing to Ireland (which are very obviously unstated here)
post #67 of 216
Any chance of another price drop? It's been almost a week.
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Any chance of another price drop? It's been almost a week.


Should be close to free.

post #69 of 216
I have one question for this thead, an honest one. Is the title of master tailor one that is earned through decades of experience, or a rank based on skill?

I ask because Mr. Rory is quite young, and it would seem it was a title earned through skill. Any clarification is appreciated.
post #70 of 216
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

I have one question for this thead, an honest one. Is the title of master tailor one that is earned through decades of experience, or a rank based on skill?

I ask because Mr. Rory is quite young, and it would seem it was a title earned through skill. Any clarification is appreciated.

Well a tradesman can describe himself as a "master" carpenter, tailor, baker etc once he has completed his apprenticeship which is usually 7 years. The description of "master" can also be defined by someone who teaches or who has an apprentice/apprentices, for example a martial arts master who runs a dojo.

It is also a rank specifically in tailoring sometimes used to describe the top tailor at a tailoring house or a tailor that employs other tailors/is a proprieter.

The rank below master tailor is journeyman tailor.
post #71 of 216
Thank you, that helped.
post #72 of 216
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Any chance of another price drop? It's been almost a week.

I...I can't.
post #73 of 216

a lot of fucking words, any fucking pictures?

post #74 of 216
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Originally Posted by UnnamedPlayer View Post

a lot of fucking words, any fucking pictures?

I don't know any of the people involved, but at this point I feel bad for the tailor.

Here are some pictures of him & his work by Rose Callahan. From her "Dandy Portraits" series.

I like the matching plaid piping on the vest. Also the tailor's own higher-rise fishtail back trousers.
post #75 of 216
Is this still going on?
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