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post #16 of 142
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I have a 1996 Accord! Not tricked out though.

 

Not classic, then!

post #17 of 142
^^

I can see what you are saying but I don't necessarily agree with numbers 2 or 3. Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled program, pissing off Manton.
post #18 of 142
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Originally Posted by bourbonbasted View Post

There are certain threads that avoid the degradation you mention, but they are all very specific in nature and do not necessarily encourage fit pics or discussion on combination. Rather they focus on the nuts and bolts (fit, material, proportions, etc). Most of the bespoke and fabric threads come to mind.

I find derailment and trolling is inevitable. However, the more specific the topic and the more germane the expertise, the less likely bastardization is afoot.

I'm afraid abstracts like "taste" only invite trouble. No matter how clear or objective the construct is to most.

Very true, and also very sad.

The good taste thread started so well, and "ended" so poorly. Good to see some people continue to show up and post quality outfits among the rest of the people who either:

1. Don't get what it's about or
2. Do get it, but still deviate from it because they require internet validation
post #19 of 142
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled program, pissing off Manton.
it's so easy, though, i don't see why it is any fun for people
post #20 of 142
This thread needs a picture of a 1996 Accord with red squiggly lines on it.
post #21 of 142
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

it's so easy, though, i don't see why it is any fun for people

I don't think what gets people off is the ease, but rather the journey to the final "explosion".
post #22 of 142
But wait, sedan, or coupe?
post #23 of 142

The same fate befalls Manton's CBD thread on occasion, though, remarkably, the CBD thread seems to stem the tide a bit better than the Good Taste thread does (perhaps due to CBD's being a slightly less subjective term than Good Taste, and/or perhaps due to slightly more active curation of the CBD thread by its creator and fellow travelers).

 

To pull a less savory example, but one that follows the same trendline, we can cite the "Would You Hit It?" thread on DT. Originally intended as a place to post pics of marginally attractive people, thus posing a sort of lowbrow intellectual challenge, the thread was quickly overrun with people posting streams of hot chicks in skimpy outfits -- subverting the thread's purpose by changing its implied question mark into an emphatic exclamation point.

post #24 of 142
Thread Starter 
sedan
post #25 of 142

Another SF lamentation thread? Really?

 

Manton, you have moderator powers within threads you create, and I'm pretty certain that the admins have previously specifically said that members with such powers can use them entirely at their discretion within threads they create. If you don't like some posts in your thread, delete them. You can have whatever narrow niche thread you want. Deleting a post takes mere seconds (I've modded other forums). You can then simply ignore/block anyone who complains to you more directly, as well as delete any further posts from them in your thread. For all I know, you may be already be blocking me; users can't tell. :)

 

It's disingenous to complain that your thread isn't full of content that you want, as you could fix that by deleting all other content, without even needing to explain why to anyone. It would hardly be time-consuming, either. Perhaps a minute a day at most?

 

I think that what you're really complaining about isn't that the thread doesn't solely contain content you want, but rather that you haven't convinced/taught/persuaded/whatever enough other new people to dress similarly. That's as fair a position as any other to take, but it's conceptually very different to the implicit complaint that the thread is being sidetracked as if you can't do anything about it and need help. Even a very restrictively moderated thread would continue to get a small but dedicated core membership of active posters that you approve of in it, and a greater number of passive readers curious as to the specific style being espoused. Paradoxically, probably more, as people would enjoy the entertainment value of an exclusivity-meets-car-crash aspect of such a thread. Would new people be convinced to give your ideas a try? I think they still would. Not everyone, probably not most, but people generally like playing with different looks over time, so I suspect they'd try it out. Complaining that off-topic, as you see it, posts happen in the first place is a frankly pointless activity in a totally public open forum. No one has any incentive to behave and think as you would like or ask, unless they independently and freely come to the same conclusions as you did. You really want narrower content? Moderate your thread actively to ensure it. Isn't that why the admins gave you that functionality?

post #26 of 142
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I did that for while, it's sooooo much work. It's like cleaning the wall every day, and you know that overnight the taggers will be back and cover it in graffitti and you have to start all over. Now, if the building were a historical landmark in Indiana limestone, it might be worth it. But as it is, I don't care enough any more.

In addition, deleting actually can make everything harder. People get angry and PM you for deleting their perfect pic, other members who saw it want to know why it was gone, it causes a lot of hard feelings and everyone thinks they are owed and explantion.

I was just formulating the law, which is true. make of it what you will.
post #27 of 142
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Originally Posted by Big Texas View Post

This.

The internet is not inherently "social," despite Mark Zuckerberg's insistence to the contrary. Most internet users fluctuate between two behavioral modes: 1) validation-seeking, and 2) information-seeking.

Validation-seeking behavior is, as Topos puts it, "people listening to themselves talk" and hoping for others to give them kudos in some fashion -- be it in the form of agreement, +1, "like," or any other of the numerous forms of noncommittal affirmations that have cropped up in recent years. To someone in this behavioral mode, the other forum members are little more than props, or sounding boards, or laugh tracks.

Information-seeking should not be confused with a desire to learn. Information-seeking is really about looking for ideas and inspiration. Cool pictures, interesting outfits, recommendations, etc., that can be appropriated and put to use, intangibly or tangibly. (Information-seeking is to learning what fast food is to nourishment).

My point is that a thread on SF -- like a thread on any other forum -- is going to cater, in mixed ratio, to #1 and #2. What Manton is describing is really just the fact that the proportion of people in #1 mode tends to outweigh the proportion of #2s over time. And this is an intrinsic pattern of internet forums. I'd encounter the same trend if I went to, say, a car forum and started a "Post classic cars here" thread, detailing very specifically the velvet rope with which we cordon off "classic" from "contemporary." That rope would be breached in short order, and those doing the breaching would insist that "classic" is a subjective term, i.e., they were born in 1990, therefore, a tricked-out 1996 Accord is "classic."

QFI
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

But wait, sedan, or coupe?

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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

sedan

You really needed to ask? smile.gif
post #28 of 142
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Originally Posted by Big Texas View Post

This.

The internet is not inherently "social," despite Mark Zuckerberg's insistence to the contrary. Most internet users fluctuate between two behavioral modes: 1) validation-seeking, and 2) information-seeking.

Validation-seeking behavior is, as Topos puts it, "people listening to themselves talk" and hoping for others to give them kudos in some fashion -- be it in the form of agreement, +1, "like," or any other of the numerous forms of noncommittal affirmations that have cropped up in recent years. To someone in this behavioral mode, the other forum members are little more than props, or sounding boards, or laugh tracks.

Information-seeking should not be confused with a desire to learn. Information-seeking is really about looking for ideas and inspiration. Cool pictures, interesting outfits, recommendations, etc., that can be appropriated and put to use, intangibly or tangibly. (Information-seeking is to learning what fast food is to nourishment).

My point is that a thread on SF -- like a thread on any other forum -- is going to cater, in mixed ratio, to #1 and #2. What Manton is describing is really just the fact that the proportion of people in #1 mode tends to outweigh the proportion of #2s over time. And this is an intrinsic pattern of internet forums. I'd encounter the same trend if I went to, say, a car forum and started a "Post classic cars here" thread, detailing very specifically the velvet rope with which we cordon off "classic" from "contemporary." That rope would be breached in short order, and those doing the breaching would insist that "classic" is a subjective term, i.e., they were born in 1990, therefore, a tricked-out 1996 Accord is "classic."

Couldn't all social interaction be described as a combination of #1 and #2 in your example?

Anyway, Manton's law is absolutely true. I don't understand how some people are so tonedeaf that they can't abide by the stated direction of a thread and seek to justify their steadfast non-conformity.

There should be a "Get off my lawn!" button where if enough members click it in a designated thread a post is automatically deleted so as to maintain the thread's purpose.
post #29 of 142
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I did that for while, it's sooooo much work. It's like cleaning the wall every day, and you know that overnight the taggers will be back and cover it in graffitti and you have to start all over. Now, if the building were a historical landmark in Indiana limestone, it might be worth it. But as it is, I don't care enough any more.

In addition, deleting actually can make everything harder. People get angry and PM you for deleting their perfect pic, other members who saw it want to know why it was gone, it causes a lot of hard feelings and everyone thinks they are owed and explantion.

 

Fair enough. I can respect the position you're taking on the balance of benefit vs effort. Thanks for the reply.

post #30 of 142

I can't imagine starting any thread on any web forum (cars, watches, clothes, custom knives) with the expectation that all will agree with me and enthusiastically applaud my opening post.  Then again, a forum that is nothing more than a predictable back-slapping assembly of members of a mutual admiration society wouldn't hold much interest for me at all.

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