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post #46 of 273
Manton, I don't share your aversion to oxfords with an odd jacket, but they would need to have brogueing and be of a color that is less formal--walnut for instance.
post #47 of 273
Manton, your rules would seem to suggest that someone who works in a business casual environment and wears a suit or blazer and greys maybe once a week should pretty much only ever wear brown shoes, with maybe one pair of black oxfords when wearing a suit. Then again, they also seem to assume regular wearing of suits or odd jackets and ties. Am I reading this right or is there a different way of looking at this if less formal clothing is your norm // some sort of case for CBCD (conservative business casual dress)?
post #48 of 273
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These are not rules. This thread is about, how can you stretch your shoe dollar really far and still cover everything AND be stylish?

Yes, it assumes you wear suits, at least sometimes. If you literally never, ever do, then you can skip the oxfords.
post #49 of 273
Clearly one is going to have to tailor the list to your circumstances. If you only wear a suit once a month, you are going to need more casual brown shoes. If you wear only suits, you'll need more formal oxfords, probably in black.

Though I'd argue that everyone, no matter what, should own a pair of black captoe oxfords, even if they aren't worn very often. It's one of those things that there's not a great substitute for IMO.
post #50 of 273
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

Clearly one is going to have to tailor the list to your circumstances. If you only wear a suit once a month, you are going to need more casual brown shoes. If you wear only suits, you'll need more formal oxfords, probably in black.

Though I'd argue that everyone, no matter what, should own a pair of black captoe oxfords, even if they aren't worn very often. It's one of those things that there's not a great substitute for IMO.

I am slightly embarassed to say that I don't own a pair. I have a pair of black plain-toe balmorals that I bought for black tie. I sometimes wear these with charcoal suits, but I don't work in an environment that is extremely formal. I don't go to board meetings and haven't been on an interview in some time. In other instances wear black shoes are preferred, like evenings out and weddings, I like the plain-toe better anyway, as it is not as business-y.

 

If I find that I need a pair, I suppose I will buy them, though I'm not going to go get them now so they can sit in my closet.

post #51 of 273
Do you mean blucher? A balmoral is another word for oxford. I'll assume you mean blucher...

See, a black plain toe blucher is a weird creature to me. It's very formal in that it's black and with very few embellishments, but it's informal in that it's a blucher. I'd definitely argue that a black cap-toe oxford would be superior here.

Since you have it already, I'm sure most people wouldn't know the difference, and if it's a nice shoe, you're already doing better than 95% of the people out there. But I'd definitely prefer an oxford here.
post #52 of 273
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Originally Posted by aravenel View Post

Do you mean blucher? A balmoral is another word for oxford. I'll assume you mean blucher...

See, a black plain toe blucher is a weird creature to me. It's very formal in that it's black and with very few embellishments, but it's informal in that it's a blucher. I'd definitely argue that a black cap-toe oxford would be superior here.

Since you have it already, I'm sure most people wouldn't know the difference, and if it's a nice shoe, you're already doing better than 95% of the people out there. But I'd definitely prefer an oxford here.

No, it is a balmoral/oxford: http://www.kentwang.com/shoes/benchgrade-plaintoe-balmoral.html

post #53 of 273
I do understand the point of the thread and think it's a helpful post / discussion. I probably overstated things a little by referring to "rules."

I'm more curious to see whether the same black is for suits // blazers and greys premise applies equally when one's everyday clothing is a bit more casual or if a certain amount of suit wearing was an assumption that went into that premise. In other words, are there only very few (or no) circumstances in which one might stylishly wear black shoes in a casual context (say odd jacket and trousers, no tie) // is brown is clearly superior for such casual purposes.
post #54 of 273
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

No, it is a balmoral/oxford: http://www.kentwang.com/shoes/benchgrade-plaintoe-balmoral.html

Ah, OK. In that case, I really just prefer the look of an unadorned captoe as opposed to a plaintoe. Plain is just *too* formal for me outside of black tie, and reduces the utility of the shoe.

But this shoe fills largely the same role, so I'd say you checked the box of "formal black shoe appropriate for interviews, weddings, funerals, etc".
post #55 of 273
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

If you guys want to wear burg calf, be my guest.

Foo and fuuma, your list doesn't work for me because I have a strong aversion to oxfords with odd jackets.

Makes sense, I think someone who also lives the CM style in all parts of their life would wear cords/chinos/raw jeans w. a BDs and, say, a tweed SC so I'd add maybe 2 other pairs:

-brown chelseas (if you don't like boots get suede shoes instead)
-the aforementionned thick Mitteleuropean blucher, maybe in grainy leather, certainly in mid to light brown.
post #56 of 273
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Some basic principles first:

-Shell and suede are for fall/winter

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I always thought suede was an all season leather.

Especially the unlined kind?
post #57 of 273
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I always thought suede was an all season leather.

Especially the unlined kind?

 

Two types of unlined suede shoes came to mind: unlined suede chukka, which does not work well in summer.  And unlined suede loafers, which is again easily and better replaced with drivers/slippers in summer.

post #58 of 273
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I have totally converted from the chisel toe to the round toe.

In fact, I have a pair of U-last Vass that I need to sell.

 

+1

 

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


I'll have to pretty much agree with that, you need to pairs of shoes:

black captoe
brown wingtip

Someone that only wears CM for office work and has to be very dressed up should replace the brown wingtip with a black pair. In fact a major advice for SF readers would be to embrace black shoes. Another point specific to SF would be to stop with the super sleek and eccentric shoes with comparatively sedate suits; there can be no part-time or halfway dandies, go hard or go home.

The rest is optional or for specific usage (say something for black tie). I don't follow that advice but then this thread is the little brother of the good taste thread not the maximalist, clotheshorse or fashion whore thread.

 

 CM? Conservative Menswear? confused.gif

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


Makes sense, I think someone who also lives the CM style in all parts of their life would wear cords/chinos/raw jeans w. a BDs and, say, a tweed SC so I'd add maybe 2 other pairs:

-brown chelseas (if you don't like boots get suede shoes instead)
-the aforementionned thick Mitteleuropean blucher, maybe in grainy leather, certainly in mid to light brown.

 CM? Casual Menswear? confused.gif

post #59 of 273
Classic Menswear.
post #60 of 273

duh facepalm.gif

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