Quote:Your description doesn't sound inconsistent with the LDB, I'm not sure whats wrong?
Exactly, that is why I got them. My true waist is around a 29, but I often get 28 waist because 29 or 30 waist is often too baggy for my liking. Sometimes 28 fits fine and other times it's really tight (almost unable to button), which is what the 5EPs were, most likely due to the higher rise. Anyway, I'll keep looking around