Originally Posted by Brian SD
I bought a size 30 NS Raw, my true waist (where my jeans sit) measures out about 32." I didn't size down at all and it was a mistake, I should have gone with a 29. I could have swung a 28 but the NS's are ballbusters. I ended up giving them to my roommate who normally wears 31 jeans and they fit him perfectly.
If you tried on the 27 and it was too tight, don't buy them. The new standards are a regular fit jean and they are not meant to be tight. Look at the APC catalogue for examples of them properly worn. If you normally wear a 29, consider a 28 or 29.
My jeans didn't stretch at all.. Almost none of my jeans have done any noticeable amount of stretching, but maybe it's because I don't size down 2+ sizes.
Okay, Brian, I mean this as nicely as possible, and feel free to flame me for saying so, but this is confusing as sh** for newbs.
We have an APC thread full of the same advice over and over: size down 2, they should be tight when you buy them, they will stretch a ton - and here you say exactly the opposite. The APC web site also says "by your choice of size, you may wear them tight, normal or baggy", and yet you say they are not meant to be worn tight. You say you didn't size down and it was a mistake, and then tell the guy to consider buying his normal waist size. Your response almost reads like a parody of the APC sizing thread.
I'm on the record as not minding quick question threads, but I understand your desire to try and limit them; however, people need clear and consistent information if we're going to do that.