Do you think it is bad form for a tailoring house to publish details of its "celebrity" client list?

emptym said:

In his book, Richard Anderson writes this:
I agree with this. Most people don't like being used. And disclosing a customer's name w/o their consent is using the person imo.

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I was never certain whether Anderson's and Anderson and Shepherd were two separate tailors, they are on different streets so probably. Anyway a high moral agenda, but are you sure these guys never outsource?



Hacking jacket said:

I was never certain whether Anderson's and Anderson and Shepherd were two separate tailors, they are on different streets so probably. Anyway a high moral agenda, but are you sure these guys never outsource?

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If you mean whether A&S outsource their tailoring work outside their workshop, I can tell you yes.

add911_11 said:

If you mean whether A&S outsource their tailoring work outside their workshop, I can tell you yes.

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Right and thanks, its interesting how this is common knowledge. At first I was surprised until I realised a high quality tailor is a high quality tailor whether they work in SR or not.

If A&S have confidence in their outsourcing, then they are just as good as A&S.

Anderson and Shepherd and Richard Anderson are very, very different.



Hacking jacket said:

Right, its interesting how this is common knowledge. At first I was surprised until I realised a high quality tailor is a high quality tailor whether they work in SR or not.

If A&S have confidence in their outsourcing, then they are just as good as A&S.

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This is true, but only so far as it goes.
The work being outsourced is the mechanical production of a cut item. It has nothing to do with either the skill and style in the cutting or the quality of the fitting (to the customer) during the try-on stage. So it is true that a tailor that "make" for A&S sews to an A&S standard (and can probably sew to a higher standard if he/she felt like it/was paid for it), but that is really all that can be said.

David Reeves said:

Anderson and Shepherd and Richard Anderson are very, very different.

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Thanks: again different shops. I'm familiar with A&S output, but the difference against Richard Anderson would be interesting to know.

dopey said:

This is true, but only so far as it goes.
The work being outsourced is the mechanical production of a cut item. It has nothing to do with either the skill and style in the cutting or the quality of the fitting (to the customer) during the try-on stage. So it is true that a tailor that "make" for A&S sews to an A&S standard (and can probably sew to a higher standard if he/she felt like it/was paid for it), but that is really all that can be said.

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This makes a lot of sense with respect to my experiences. The only aspect I'd be uncomfortable with is the removal of direct accountability to the tailor performing the work.



David Reeves said:

Anderson and Shepherd and Richard Anderson are very, very different.

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Mr Reeves, can you explain further pls. Except their house style, what else? I will like to know what you think.

I personally find RA better for my build.



Hacking jacket said:

This makes a lot of sense with respect to my experiences. The only aspect I'd be uncomfortable with is the removal of direct accountability to the tailor performing the work.

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I daresay that most garments are inspected and checked for quality before they're given to the customer. And apart from the larger houses like Poole, and possibly Huntsman, you'd expect that garments are outsourced to be sewed up within a certain radius of the Row -- that way, they will be considered a SR made garment. These tailors sew for from Meyer & Mortimer through KHL to A&S. A tailor let slip to me that there are ragtag bunches of coat-makers etc around (even in the larger houses) and sometimes it's really luck who makes the coat up (unless your cutter uses just a few coat-makers and tailors, all of whom are stellar). However, the difference in finishing and how well the coat lies on you is likely going to be so miniscule that you won't notice it.



add911_11 said:

Mr Reeves, can you explain further pls. Except their house style, what else? I will like to know what you think.

I personally find RA better for my build.

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Oh nothing sinister, just as you say really. I admire RA himself and the house immensely.

I'm definitely not a celebrity or a famous man, but was on receiving end once. An owner of a shirtmaking business mentioned (even bragged) on a Russian-language forum that I ordered shirts in his atelier -- without my consent. I felt offended. So much so that I considered to end my custom.

As for mentioning customers *with* their consent, this is generally OK for me. But then again, discretion and good taste should be applied.

Sorry, but I don't think that this fitting room in otherwise tasteful and respected Roman atelier is of good taste.



Hope to never see something similar on SR.

Andrey



Hacking jacket said:

It's in the "famous clients" section, eg Prince William, Colin Firth, Robbie Williams, David Niven, Peter Sellers, Michael Jackson for Gieves and Hawkes (are you inferring Prince William, Colin Firth, Robbie Williams, David Niven, Peter Sellers are not famous??)

Norton and sons will not list living clients but cite Edward VII, Winston Churchill, Cary Grant and Alexander McQueen. Richard James has Beckham (from memory).

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I know people go to multiple tailoring houses but from your list who i associate with what is as follows

Winston Churchill: Henry Poole
Cary Grant: Kilgour
Alexander McQueen: Anderson & Sheppard (he actually did his apprenticeship there)
Beckham: Timothy Everest

Never really thought of those guys as norton customers although i know some i.e churchill had some items made there (churchill i believe had a uniform or explorers suit made)

Btw i think michael jackson also had things made at A&S for that video Smooth Criminal if I'm not mistaken

David Reeves said:

Oh nothing sinister, just as you say really. I admire RA himself and the house immensely.

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Okay the thread here lists RA and Huntsman as the same house style. I think I get the picture.
http://www.styleforum.net/t/226684/1st-bespoke-huntsman-or-richard-anderson

A small but profitable part of my business is making shirts/Costumes for
numerous TV show, movies and broadway shows. these are listed, on my website
I receive trade credit in Playbill, so I have no qualms about mentioning these shows.
I am proud of this work. I have made some shirts personally for the actors, but I do not list
their names on the website.
I know for a fact that actors have requested these shirts after production.
But those actors have never shown up to buy on their own.
Even a certain large TV actor, who I coached his daughter in a girls rec, soccer league.

there are a few photos of recent work for actors on my wall. but no one makes a big deal about them except for
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Leonard Logsdale gets a lot of press for making for movies.

I once had a problem when i gave up personal information about certain actors to. a reporter.
he claimed he was writing a fashion feature article for the Post. the article never appeared, so the stories ended up on page 6.
I learned my lesson, about divulging specific information.