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Originally Posted by vmss View Post

@leaves
1) So you are saying that CS produces an avg of 80.000 pairs a year?

2) Also, how is the leather quality and finish between CS and Carmina?

1) Yeah I believe so. I might recall incorrectly but I think it's in this ballpark.

2) Again, they bring different things to the table. As for the leathers themselves both source from the same tanneries. Carlos Santos offers a patina service at a very reasonable price, and the finish of these are top notch.

As for the burnish, you can compare several pictures for yourselves, it's really a mater of taste more than anything. Carlos Santos seems to apply a bit more burnish as standard. Have a look at these non-patina variants and decide for yourself:

http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-burgundy-adelaide

http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-cognac-dress-shoes

http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-country-oxford

Both are great makers and they have different appeals. If you are really into shoes, both of these makers has a place in your wardrobe. Personally, I just can't decide which Patina color I want, that's the real challenge. smile.gif
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For what it's worth, my experience with CS has been great. I'm probably a rare case here in that I have had two pairs of CS oxfords for 2+ years now. I'm not even close to being an expert, but my CS shoes are in a rotation that is primarily Carmina, EB, Vass, and StC at this point. So, that's what my untutored eye is comparing CS shoes against. My pairs have held up extremely well after quite a bit of use. They shine up well and easily, and the leather has continued to look better with age. I continue to be very happy keeping them in my rotation, and I've been hoping that a shop I like would start carrying CS, so I'm happy Skoak picked them up.

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For what it's worth, my experience with CS has been great. I'm probably a rare case here in that I have had two pairs of CS oxfords for 2+ years now. I'm not even close to being an expert, but my CS shoes are in a rotation that is primarily Carmina, EB, Vass, and StC at this point. So, that's what my untutored eye is comparing CS shoes against. My pairs have held up extremely well after quite a bit of use. They shine up well and easily, and the leather has continued to look better with age. I continue to be very happy keeping them in my rotation, and I've been hoping that a shop I like would start carrying CS, so I'm happy Skoak picked them up.

 

Would love to see recent photos of the 2 year old CS. Please share if possible. Thanks.

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Sure thing. I'm traveling at the moment, so it will be a few days, but I'll take some quick pics when I'm back.

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For what it's worth, my experience with CS has been great. I'm probably a rare case here in that I have had two pairs of CS oxfords for 2+ years now. I'm not even close to being an expert, but my CS shoes are in a rotation that is primarily Carmina, EB, Vass, and StC at this point. So, that's what my untutored eye is comparing CS shoes against. My pairs have held up extremely well after quite a bit of use. They shine up well and easily, and the leather has continued to look better with age. I continue to be very happy keeping them in my rotation, and I've been hoping that a shop I like would start carrying CS, so I'm happy Skoak picked them up.

 Do you have the Santos line (whatever the one is with open channel)? I've read that other lines are meant to compete with makers of various quality.

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Yup, Santos line. I assume, at least -- I don't know to what extent they've shifted lines/names around in the past few years, but I remember mine say "Santos by Carlos Santos" or something like that on the sole. Anyway, they are definitely open channel, and I bought them way too cheap for them to be their higher grade line (whatever that's called). 

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True. And lord knows I've been burned. But at the end of the day, there's no way round it if the goal is find the shoe that works best for you. Comparison discussions, shooting ideas around, sizing advice, quality recommendations, all the good stuff that happens on SF - they'll get you some way, but no-one knows the full story of whether a shoe will work until they've splashed the cash and worn them for a while.

Hope you get enough answers to figure out if you're comfortable taking a leap in the dark with CS. cheers.gif

Yes I did. You guys gave great answers. Also thanks leaves for answering my questions.

I am looking forward to the 2 years old pictures of CS.

I have my eye on the 3 eylett derby once they restock my size I ll pull the trigger. Those IMO are one of the best derbies aestically wise outthere .
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To those who have tried both carmina's rain and soller last. If I take a 7uk in rain, should I size half down in soller since its wider? Thanks!

I'm barely a 7UK in Rain but would prefer the new wider EEE fit (same size), and 7.5uK is a tad long for my feet.

That said, I ordered a Chelsea on Soller in 7UK and my feet can swim in it. I need the thickest sock possible.

Soller is absolutely wide, but I feel the perception is mitigated by the quickly tapering toe box; its noticeably for those us with wider feet.

I would try the 6.5UK on Soller last.
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Yes I did. You guys gave great answers. Also thanks leaves for answering my questions.

I am looking forward to the 2 years old pictures of CS.

I have my eye on the 3 eylett derby once they restock my size I ll pull the trigger. Those IMO are one of the best derbies aestically wise outthere .

We're recieving a restock mid/end of this week.
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What else would be restocked this week?

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What else would be restocked this week?

Mainly these:
Carlos Santos Guimaraes Double Monk
Carlos Santos Coimbra Jumper Boot
Carlos Santos Braga Derby
Carlos Santos Suede Swan Neck
Carlos Santos Black Swan Neck
Carlos Santos Suede Chukka

We are looking at bi-weekly restocks of these six base styles, our aim is to always have these in stock.

We also have Carmina restocks coming through. It's loads of styles so keep an eye out here and sign up on the waiting list for any style you are interested in and you will get an email as soon as we update our stock inventory. Any style that is scheduled for a restock has this feature. If a product says "out of stock" instead of "waiting list" it's not likely this style will be restocked in the near future.

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They look good!  The captoe 8334 is a much better design than the first one that was stocked.  

Shorter cap (or looks shorter) is much more proportioned.

That burgundy patina looks great. 


I think I will try something from CS.  Maybe that Tobacco Chukka in the spring.

Actually, that particular style is not Patina. That's their regular burgundy calf option with the Carlos Santos standard burnish.

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Patrik - which Santos last is most similar to Carmina Simpson?

Also, do you have any dainite/ruber soled new arrivals on the board for spring (regardless of brand)?

Lastly, any chance we can get birds-eye views of the shoes online? I think its the best way (and many would agree) to judge the overall shape/style of a shoe.

I would say the 187 last. We are looking into a way of shooting the shoes from above, but we do have the tilt angle shot on every product to give you an idea of the last. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


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@Leaves
- can you compare the CS havana grain and the Carmina Tärnsjö leather?  Photos looks similar... but I assume they are different.

The leathers are different. Tärnsjö is a fully vegetable tanned leather, which is very uncommon within the shoe industry. It has been "milled" to give it a natural grain. The one used by Carlos Santos is an embossed grain, which is what's commonly used within the shoe making industry.
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Thought for the day

I have a confession to make. And it's one that most of you will not be able to identify with but an interesting one to have as a shoe nerd.

I'm color blind.

Please don't assume this means that I don't see colors or can't appreciate the wonderful nuances of patinas. I won't go into the science of this but put simply, this means that I am often simply unable to identify exactly what shade of color I am looking at.  

The Carlos Santos patinas for example look wonderful but identifying the colors is not helped by their abstract names. The selection process is made much easier when color names or shades are mentioned in the descriptions.

This is not a rant nor criticism (I'm a big Skoab fan) and I've stopped myself several times from bringing this up in case it comes across the wrong way. But I know I'm not alone in this and if you guys would consider this as input to your already fantastic site ( @Leaves
) then statistically you'd be making >8% of us extremely happy!

Fixed that for you, have a look at the bottom:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-patina-service
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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post

Fixed that for you, have a look at the bottom:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-patina-service

BOOM! You Sir are The Man ☺

Now... can you do anything about my mild astigmatism too? 😉
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Fixed that for you, have a look at the bottom:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carlos-santos/products/carlos-santos-patina-service

Which one of the patina colors more resemble Oxblood?

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