No size was fine brand new 9 LWB color 8 she'll cordoven paid 750$ got them today and had so many flaws may be I don't know much about shoes and I will admit I am newbie when it comes to Alden. Got them & carmina today was shocked for 750$ what I got I have posted pic on official Alden thread. If you fine gents can guide me I would appricated it. I just don't feel like deer boning this brand new shoes and edging. Which I have not even tried on yet.