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STYLESTUDENT and timelessrider-- Thanks a million.  The old goat looks great, doesn't he?  And IMHO RL's socks show Duke of Windsor-level panache.  Wow.
Mike- Ralph Lauren does look terrific. The houndstooth socks are a great touch. Sulka used to have these but the last place I saw these on the internet was at Ben Silver a year ago (they were over-the-calf too) Regards
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Chuck F.--How about it? And in large sizes, too.
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Ah, the joys of computer malfunction....
post #139 of 201
Oh, for heaven's sake, Gentlemen, loafers with a suit...again? Well, you may wish to pretend that loafers are real shoes, rather than heavier Belgian slippers, and that's perfectly all right, but pretending will not make it so. Now, before you go Compton on me, I fully realize that formal loafers exist by the truckload, but somehow wearing a sleek oxford or derby with a suit gives an air of well-grounded authority, which no loafer can match (obvious pun intended). Regards, Jack
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But--but--but--check out RL on pages 69 and 268 of "Dressing the Man."   You might be surprised.
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But--but--but--check out RL on pages 69 and 268 of "Dressing the Man." You might be surprised.
I know the picture to which you refer, Mike, and Lauren does look swell (wide, built-up shoulders to offset big head, like Cary Grant), but, but, but, he can wear whatever he wants, while the rest of us must consider the rules of proper engagement. Lauren is now a man of leisure--you and I work for a living: we loaf on holiday or on the weekends. I am not going to show up for a meeting with conservative fellows, wearing loafers with a suit. It looks cavalier, somehow, and while that might be a desirable effect among certain persons, it is not appropriate at my level. And frankly, I doubt that the future will bring much in the way of relief.... Regards, Jack
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Personally, I do not care too much for loafers to begin with, and even less those with tassels. Tassel loafers with a suit is a combination that just plain bums me out. It reeks to me of suburban up-and-comer sales executive, trying to "look the part" while lacking any individual sense of style. Whew, glad I got that off my chest. If I've offended anyone, may I add that on some folks loafers look fine, as well I'm sure that many E.G. versions are quite striking, just not my personal style. Let me also proffer that I myself am not a suit wearer, and offer my opinions merely as a casually (and at times, grubbily) dressed observer.
post #143 of 201
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Personally, I do not care too much for loafers to begin with, and even less those with tassels. Tassel loafers with a suit is a combination that just plain bums me out. It reeks to me of suburban up-and-comer sales executive, trying to "look the part" while lacking any individual sense of style. Whew, glad I got that off my chest. If I've offended anyone, may I add that on some folks loafers look fine, as well I'm sure that many E.G. versions are quite striking, just not my personal style. Let me also proffer that I myself am not a suit wearer, and offer my opinions merely as a casually (and at times, grubbily) dressed observer.
At last, a brother-in-arms. Regards, Jack
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(AJL @ 10 Oct. 2004, 5:20) Personally, I do not care too much for loafers to begin with, and even less those with tassels. Tassel loafers with a suit is a combination that just plain bums me out. It reeks to me of suburban up-and-comer sales executive, trying to "look the part" while lacking any individual sense of style. Whew, glad I got that off my chest. If I've offended anyone, may I add that on some folks loafers look fine, as well I'm sure that many E.G. versions are quite striking, just not my personal style. Let me also proffer that I myself am not a suit wearer, and offer my opinions merely as a casually (and at times, grubbily) dressed observer.
At last, a brother-in-arms. Regards, Jack
A personal observation/rememberance: The old Brooks loafers with tassels is a very old (relatively speaking) look. Now, while it mayn't be proper in many occasions, it was done by decidedly non-suburban, and most decidely non-up-and-comers in NYC and Boston during the glory days of white-shoe investment banking.
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(prinseugen @ 10 Oct. 2004, 8:01)
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Originally Posted by AJL,10 Oct. 2004, 5:20
Personally, I do not care too much for loafers to begin with, and even less those with tassels. Tassel loafers with a suit is a combination that just plain bums me out. It reeks to me of suburban up-and-comer sales executive, trying to "look the part" while lacking any individual sense of style. Whew, glad I got that off my chest. If I've offended anyone, may I add that on some folks loafers look fine, as well I'm sure that many E.G. versions are quite striking, just not my personal style. Let me also proffer that I myself am not a suit wearer, and offer my opinions merely as a casually (and at times, grubbily) dressed observer.
At last, a brother-in-arms. Regards, Jack
A personal observation/rememberance: The old Brooks loafers with tassels is a very old (relatively speaking) look. Now, while it mayn't be proper in many occasions, it was done by decidedly non-suburban, and most decidely non-up-and-comers in NYC and Boston during the glory days of white-shoe investment banking.
You're right, Horace, the Brooks tassel and rounded-toe penny loafer styles are rather venerable--but neither is appropriate with a suit. Regards, Jack
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it was done by decidedly non-suburban, and most decidely non-up-and-comers in NYC and Boston during the glory days of white-shoe investment banking.
What does this even mean? Did people actually wear white shoes to work? I can't picture it. "The glory days of investment banking"...? Huh...
post #147 of 201
My father is 83 and VERY old school, i.e. don't wear dark suits for daytime (except black for funerals). Brown or tan shoes with light color suits for day time. Black shoes w/ dark suit for night time (except in summer, white dinner jackets at night). For him a loafer is one who loafs around - the lazy, useless person. (Expression used at me numerous occasions _ Is this where the word loafer originated? How different is the loafer from the opera pump really? Not all of them are patent, look at number nine Opera pumps Shoe # 9.. Also difference between US, UK and Italy. In UK sometimes you see people wearing thin soled loafers w/suits esp in the evening. Just adding to the confusion
post #148 of 201
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My father is 83 and VERY old school, i.e. don't wear dark suits for daytime (except black for funerals). Brown or tan shoes with light color suits for day time. Black shoes w/ dark suit for night time (except in summer, white dinner jackets at night). For him a loafer is one who loafs around - the lazy, useless person. (Expression used at me numerous occasions _ Is this where the word loafer originated? How different is the loafer from the opera pump really? Not all of them are patent, look at number nine Opera pumps Shoe # 9.. Also difference between US, UK and Italy. In UK sometimes you see people wearing thin soled loafers w/suits esp in the evening. Just adding to the confusion
Confusion: bad; clarity: good. Loafers are inappropriate with business suits in particular, because they send a mixed message. Loafers are casual shoes--business suits are seldom casual. And dark business suits just don't look right with glorified slippers...I mean, when a fellow dresses for effect, the result should present an image of commanding professionalism. I function in a world of conservative old-guard hold-outs, and I will not put myself at an instant disadvantage by automatically diluting whatever sense of authority I possess. Wearing loafers with a proper business suit is a professional risk I am not prepared to take. Regards, Jack
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(Horace @ 11 Oct. 2004, 03:12)
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Originally Posted by prinseugen,10 Oct. 2004, 8:01
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Originally Posted by AJL,10 Oct. 2004, 5:20
Personally, I do not care too much for loafers to begin with, and even less those with tassels. Tassel loafers with a suit is a combination that just plain bums me out. It reeks to me of suburban up-and-comer sales executive, trying to "look the part" while lacking any individual sense of style. Whew, glad I got that off my chest. If I've offended anyone, may I add that on some folks loafers look fine, as well I'm sure that many E.G. versions are quite striking, just not my personal style. Let me also proffer that I myself am not a suit wearer, and offer my opinions merely as a casually (and at times, grubbily) dressed observer.
At last, a brother-in-arms. Regards, Jack
A personal observation/rememberance:  The old Brooks loafers with tassels is a very old (relatively speaking) look.  Now, while it mayn't be proper in many occasions, it was done by decidedly non-suburban, and most decidely non-up-and-comers in NYC and Boston during the glory days of white-shoe investment banking.
You're right, Horace, the Brooks tassel and rounded-toe penny loafer styles are rather venerable--but neither is appropriate with a suit. Regards, Jack
Yes, certainly not the penny. And I wouldn't wear either with a suit; however, I would certainly argue that it has been done and that it is acceptable in places like Boston and NYC, not only for Madison Ave. professions but for law and banking. I would interrogate the people with whom one is meeting (for some residue of bourgeoise social climbing propriety or whatnot) more than I would the wearer of those shoes if there is a problem.
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(Horace @ 11 Oct. 2004, 06:12) it was done by decidedly non-suburban, and most decidely non-up-and-comers in NYC and Boston during the glory days of white-shoe investment banking.
What does this even mean? Did people actually wear white shoes to work? I can't picture it.  "The glory days of investment banking"...? Huh...
Just in case you aren't joking or pretending to be deliberately obtuse: white shoe firms refered to those old firms that were decidely WASP. "Glory days", half-joking refers to the 1980's. Which I mark, in a socio-economic sense, as sort of the last hurrah of a pre-democratized market.
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