thanks gents. I'm hoping it's different rules of stretch this time as I'm going for more of a straight look rather than slim/skinny which I've usually gone for. Main concern is the crotch area going saggy held up by a tightly fastened belt. Reminds me of the days when i sized up on jeans to get the baggy look but you could see how much effort it was to keep them on the waist.
Been loking at nudie and edwin slim straight fits and they all seem to have thighs that balloon out on me