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post #31 of 35
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Originally Posted by GBR View Post

Whilst the British doe still tend to avoid wearing the ties/insignia of regiments with which they were not associated, many if not all Americans have no such compunction and wear anything they fancy. However marvel at double standards because Americans would never wear the ties or other insignia of the Marines or any other American unit if they had not served in them.

Similarly tartans, the Scottish will always wear the tartan of their clan and no other (as will generally other Britons) but Americans wear whichever they fancy rather than following even a loose connection and being restricted in their choice.

 

I don't think it's anything more than simple ignorance of those type of things. In the U.S. we have no such traditions as regimental ties. At least not a widespread tradition that the average person would recognize. I mean, an Army unit patch or the Marines EGA is easily recognizable as a particular organization. But since we have no tradition of stripes relating to regiments, to us it is simply a stripe. Same with tartans I suppose.

post #32 of 35
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Originally Posted by E,TF View Post


Funny thing is, I wouldn't even wear the one or two striped ties that I'm entitled to, because the fact of just wearing one at all carries all sorts of class connotations that it's easier just to avoid. I don't hold it against those that choose to though.

 

Can you explain this? What class connotations does it hold? I'm curious because I have a few British friends here in Dubai who have accused me of dressing like an upper class Englishman whereas in America it would not at all be remarkable.

post #33 of 35
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Can you explain this? What class connotations does it hold? I'm curious because I have a few British friends here in Dubai who have accused me of dressing like an upper class Englishman whereas in America it would not at all be remarkable.

It's not something I've thought about closely before, but I suppose there's just a certain type who wears those ties. Obviously if you're not one and you wear them anyway you're pretending to be something or not, making your social aspiration too clear. Nothing is looked down upon more than trying to better yourself, or get above your station. It is also a type that many people (left-leaning) find a bit obnoxious - I don't hold that view but it's still a consideration. But even if you are that type, you probably don't want to wear them all the time, as that's too much like showing off, which is in itself infra dig. The upper classes should act at all times like they don't give much of a fig about anything, let alone what they're wearing or what others think of what they're wearing. It should all just come naturally. See the Duke of Windsor's protestations that he wasn't actually interested in clothes.

I guess what it comes down to is that the people who wear them tend to be socially aspirant upper-middle class. They are openly hated by the left; secretly hated by those lower down in the middle class (basically out of envy, but ostensibly because of their too-obvious pandering to the upper classes); and they are probably held in some amusement/ridicule by the actual upper classes (if they are thought of at all), who much prefer their own, or the honest working classes (such as brickies - see Churchill). I don't think most englishmen really mind if an american wears these ties (except GBR obviously), because englishmen hate each other more than they hate americans - you're exempt from the rules basically. I'm sure your British friends are just joshing you. Putting it all in writing like this probably makes it sound much more of a thing than it really is though. I worry I sound like FNB.

Suggested further reading, not on striped ties specifically, but on English class neuroses -
Snobs, Julian Fellows
Hunting the English, AA Gill
And actually, some of FNB's stuff is spot on.
post #34 of 35

E,TF

 

That was an interesting read. It's the nuances like you explained that are often lost on foreigners when they observe certain societies. It certainly sheds light. My friends were indeed having a friendly go at me, but you know what they say, there is an element of truth in a joke.

post #35 of 35
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Personally, I would not feel comfortable wearing a coat of arms or insignia representing something of which I was never a part.
 

I agree!  However the coat of arms for London seems appropriate, and it is pretty cool.  

 

You should feel quite confident about your interest in silver-colored buttons.  It sounds like they coordinate with your accessories and I hear they're equally appropriate, especially in dulled nickel.  FWIW I'm looking in to a nickel-buttoned navy blazer myself, and I look forward to seeing how yours turns out.

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