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post #991 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Surely this cannot be correct? How can anyone reasonably know it's a cop breaking into your window at 5am during a "no knock" raid?

Well criminals are obviously too lazy to wake up at 5am so only cops would be awake to break into your place at that time.
post #992 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Rule 2 of firearms is do not shoot at anything you do not intend to kill. They don't teach cops to shoot people in the leg. If a gun goes off its de facto attempt to kill. Are you suggesting it should have been a lesser charge? I'd like to see a civilian get charged with that.

It's impossible to have a coherent discussion of generic descriptions of crimes like "attempted murder" that vary in their definitions, so we need to be specific about what the crime actually entails. In my neck of the woods, charging attempted anything requires specific intent to do the crime. In other words, you can be guilty of murder for doing something that you know will result in another's death, without actually intending for them to die, but you can't be guilty of attempted murder unless you specifically intended to kill someone in your "attempt."

When you shoot someone in self-defense, even if it's not objectively reasonable, the subjective intent is still to stop them from hurting you, not to kill them, and thus it doesn't have a specific intent and can't support an attempted murder charge.
post #993 of 6095
Shame that rule has never been applied to civilians.
post #994 of 6095
Civilians can't defend themselves from cops. So that argument is a nonstarter.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Surely this cannot be correct? How can anyone reasonably know it's a cop breaking into your window at 5am during a "no knock" raid?

We just don't know anything about the case but what's been reported by the activists. Maybe he said "fuck the police" to his roommate right before he armed himself and shot them? Maybe there were a half-dozen squad cars parked in front of his apartment and they saw him peek through the blinds a few seconds before he shot?

Besides, these are "no knock" warrants, not no-announce warrants. Cops still announce themselves on the way in. And these cops had probable cause to search his place. Just because the drugs were gone doesn't mean the guy didn't have good reason to expect the cops.

And he shot not one, not two, not three, but four different cops. It's plausible to say you shot one guy dressed up like SWAT because you thought he was an impersonator, but four?
post #995 of 6095
Keep giving those pigs the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they won't ever use it against you.
post #996 of 6095
People start swarming into my window at 5:30 am and I'm firing until I have no more bullets and I think any reasonable person would. Also, no fucking cop is fooling me about getting my license. No sir, that's how you get shot at four times at point blank range.
post #997 of 6095
So the cop was fucking this guy's sister. Big surprise. Thank goodness the whole fucking county has been on lockdown for a week and a half to catch a guy who shot a cop fucking his sister.

Seriously, fuck you, EDIT- pigs.
Edited by Harold falcon - 9/25/14 at 6:18pm
post #998 of 6095
They marched a goddamn tank down Main Street to catch a domestic case. Just because a cop was involved. Fuck all of them. Goddamn corrupt assholes.
post #999 of 6095
I want to join West Baptist Church and protest this cop's funeral. Motherfucker.
post #1000 of 6095
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CHAMPION, Ohio -
The sounds of gunfire will ring through the halls of two Champion school buildings this afternoon.

According to a letter sent home to parents of students, police will be firing blanks from a gun at the high school and middle school so students can hear what gunshots sound like.

The exercise is part of A.L.I.C.E. training. A.L.I.C.E. stands for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter and Evacuate.

The blanks will be fired in hallways or the office. The letter says that they will not be fired in spaces containing students. Elementary school students will also take part in the drill, but gunshots will not be fired, according to school superintendent Pamela Hood.

Champion School personnel have already received A.L.I.C.E. training from Training Consultants Inc., of Hubbard.

An A.L.I.C.E. drill will be conducted twice every school year to practice methods to deal with a dangerous intruder in a school building.

Also during the drill, teachers and students will practice procedures for barricading classroom doors to block an intruder from entering, as well as emergency exit procedures for vacating the building.

The letter says that students will be prepared in advance of the drill, and that administrators, staff, police and fire personnel will be supervising during the drill.

The letter, signed by three school principals, says that safety protocols will be followed during the drill, with an effort made to prevent upsetting students.

The school says that it has modified how it will conduct the training in the elementary school and that while the school will have A.L.I.C.E training the officers won't use blank bullets and gun fire.

TLDR: Cops will shoot blanks in a school to instill fear into children.
post #1001 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

TLDR: Cops will shoot blanks in a school to instill fear into children.

Okay, come on, this is a bit of a reach
post #1002 of 6095
Reach how? Read the story.
post #1003 of 6095
The goal clearly isn't to create a fear culture. I actually agree that it's important for someone, regardless of age, to know what a gunshot sounds like vs. a slamming door, a blowing transformer, etc.
post #1004 of 6095
I agree too, but that's the job of the parents to do at the range on the weekend. When you're popping off simulators in school halls, in my mind that's creating a culture of fear.
post #1005 of 6095
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Originally Posted by burningbright View Post

I agree too, but that's the job of the parents to do at the range on the weekend. When you're popping off simulators in school halls, in my mind that's creating a culture of fear.

Some shots on the range with earpro sound very different than shots down the hall in a different room resonating around a bank of lockers.
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