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post #661 of 6028
Somebody is compensating for something.
post #662 of 6028
Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

lol, Illinois
Unfortunately the proliferation of that type of paramilitary gear is hardly unique to Illinois. Cocksuckers the lot of'em.
post #663 of 6028
The small town I work in has an APC for the local cops. Less than 8k residents.
post #664 of 6028
They saved one:
post #665 of 6028
Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

peace through power
post #666 of 6028
Piece I saw the other day at the NYT:

War Gear Flows to Police Departments
post #667 of 6028
I think this surplus debate is a bit of a straw man.
People who are against it are against it for the wrong reasons. All in all police having more capabilities is not a bad thing. However, it can be argued that the maintenance budget, etc. that now must be spent on MRAPs or NVGs is better spent on other community outreach or whathaveyou programs.
The real issue with paramilitarisation is officer conduct, not what kind of gun they're using.
post #668 of 6028
When they have bigger guns they tend to use them, it's exactly the point. Cops are morons, they should not be given the means to murder civilians en masse.
post #669 of 6028
I don't doubt the need for serious firepower to deal with the drug cartels and terrorists, but there is something about military gear that triggers an authoritarian mindset. The Stanford experiment, now infamous in the history of psychology, illustrated the point all too well.

[EDIT: This post is analytically flawed, but my point is that the rocket launcher makes the policeman. Have a warrant? Knock once, then drive the tank through the front door and light up the flamethrower]
Edited by Lighthouse - 6/10/14 at 8:26am
post #670 of 6028
Originally Posted by Duff_Man View Post

The real issue with paramilitarisation is officer conduct, not what kind of gun they're using.

Military gear does not occupy civilian areas; cops with military gear occupy civilian areas.
post #671 of 6028
If it's ok for cops to hunt black people* with M16s why aren't civilians allowed to hunt deer with M16s?

*I seriously considered using the n-word here for shock value. Because that's the word the cops would use.
post #672 of 6028
^ I think these ultimately meant for Syria and Libya so no big rhetorical shift in policy they just have to push this shit on someone

From more pratical pov they all should be shipped to Detroit, maybe it would be enough
post #673 of 6028
I'm with you to an extent, D-man, particularly after reading about some of the sheriffs and police captains/chiefs agonizing over this issue of officer safety vs. protection of civil liberties.

However, at least for me, it's difficult to look at particular issues of the militarization of US police departments on an issue-by-issue basis without lumping all the issues together. When you look at the list of offenses, and these are only the ones that immediately come to mind (random checkpoint stops without probable cause, officer misconduct, officer ignorance concerning video recording and other laws essential to protecting the rights of citizens, "professional courtesy", no-knock SWAT raids, regular officers increasingly LOOKING more like SWAT team members and not your friendly neighborhood peace officer, pet shootings, illegal seizure of property, citing citizens for minor infractions simply to generate revenue at the expense of ignoring major crimes, etc.) you begin to see that law enforcement, at least in the states, has become a separate feudal class unto itself that answers to very few people and can do pretty much whatever it wants. It's only been with the recent advent of the internet and mobile phone cameras that citizens have been able to shine a very bright light on these crimes and it's starting to come to the general public's attention just how much power the police have seized for themselves at the expense of the personal liberty of the citizens.

All this to say that yes, I do get twitchy when I see this class in particular asking for and receiving fully automatic weapons, body armor, APC's, mine-resistant vehicles, etc., particularly if they're only small town yokels who wouldn't know what to do with any of the stuff to begin with, except "play soldier," something I don't want my taxes going towards. I know not all officers or even police/sheriff departments fit this category, but enough of them do to where citizens need to start doing something about it before it escalates further. It's the age-old nature of wanting more power. If you can keep getting it under auspices of "protecting the people", you're going to continue looking for more of it until someone tells you that you can't have anymore. Look no further than at our country's foreign policy, war on drugs, war on "terror", and state surveillance apparatus for proof of that. As agents of said state, our police forces are no different.
post #674 of 6028
A Baltimore police officer is facing felony animal cruelty charges after slitting the throat of a dog officers had under control, according to the department.

Sarah Gossard, the dog’s owner, said she let the dog outside without realizing the gate was open. The 7-year-old Shar-Pei named Nala was later found by a woman that tried to check the animal’s tag. She was nipped by the dog and suffered a superficial wound.

Officers from the Southeastern District arrived and corralled the dog while summoning police Emergency Services officers, who carry the long dog-control poles that can safely lasso stray dogs.

Witnesses at the scene told police that the officer, identified as Jeffrey Bolger, 49, was talking about killing the animal as he got out of his vehicle.

“I’m going to [expletive] gut this thing,” witnesses heard him say, according to the charging document.

Police Deputy Commissioner Dean Palmere called the killing “outrageous and unacceptable” and said internal affairs is investigating the incident, which took place Saturday morning in Brewers Hill.

Baltimore City Councilman Robert W. Curran, council liaison to the Mayor’s Anti-Animal Abuse Advisory Commission, said there was no reason to have killed the dog if it was restrained with a dog-control pole, as police say it was.

It’s pretty astounding that our public safety officers would ever have done this,” Curran said. “If you’re on the pole, usually, you’re pretty much at bay, you’re not a threat.”

Officer Bolger was booked Wednesday and released on his own recognizance. He faces charges of animal cruelty, aggravated animal cruelty and malfeasance in office. Bolger’s attorney could not be reached for comment Thursday morning.

Read more: http://fox43.com/2014/06/19/officer-charged-with-killing-dog-set-out-to-gut-it-witnesses-said/#ixzz35BkyQUcW
post #675 of 6028
He was already mortally wounded. An autopsy on Boyd found he was shot in the back. The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide.

A homicide meaning he was killed by a person. Count on CNN for hard-hitting journalism!
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