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Originally Posted by accordion View Post


The NBA has performance incentives, see Anthony Davis this past season. Pretty sure Baseball has awards based incentives, not positive though. There are lots of contracts with vesting options which is pretty much the same thing.

In the case of the NBA those are based off of awards (All NBA or All Star). I'm talking true performance as in avg ppg, avg rebounds pg, or some other stat that is within the players control and not subject to a vote. NFL contracts have actual performance incentives as in rush for 1000 yards get a $500k bonus, score 10 TD's get another bonus, play 500 defensive snaps get a bonus, etc. MLB contracts have vesting and opt out clauses that kick in with playing time but the clauses don't actually lead directly to a cash bonus for the player. They allow the player to renegotiate a better contract. At least I haven't heard of a player with those types of incentives in baseball. Could be wrong though.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread about pro athlete contracts anymore then I already did.
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Clicking on this thread and finding all this sports talk is making me wish the cops had shot some innocent guy instead. More than usual.
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The MLB contract system is the weirdest labor agreements in sports, I think. A guy like Mookie Betts can't make market value until 2020, while baseball is the most variance influenced sport, as in he could fall off for no reason and would have no money to show for his good years, like Grady Sizemore.

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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post


In the case of the NBA those are based off of awards (All NBA or All Star). I'm talking true performance as in avg ppg, avg rebounds pg, or some other stat that is within the players control and not subject to a vote. NFL contracts have actual performance incentives as in rush for 1000 yards get a $500k bonus, score 10 TD's get another bonus, play 500 defensive snaps get a bonus, etc. MLB contracts have vesting and opt out clauses that kick in with playing time but the clauses don't actually lead directly to a cash bonus for the player. They allow the player to renegotiate a better contract. At least I haven't heard of a player with those types of incentives in baseball. Could be wrong though.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread about pro athlete contracts anymore then I already did.



Again, MLB does have performance based bonuses (games played, plate appearances, innings pitched, etc), or for winning awards (MVP, Cy Young, etc) just not for hitting or pitching ability (such as HRs or Ks), or for team standings.

 

http://www.thecubreporter.com/performance-incentive-bonuses

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Clicking on this thread and finding all this sports talk is making me wish the cops had shot some innocent guy instead. More than usual.

I thought you were as American as baseball and apple pie? ...and cops beating the shit out of poor blacks?
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Cop charged- Chicago, shooting into car full of teens

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11M26U
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article102396747.html

The union is asking for team-sponsored police escorts to stop until the team forces players to stand for the anthem.

“I respect their right to have freedom of speech. However, in certain organizations and certain jobs you give up that right of your freedom of speech temporary while you serve that job or while you play in an NFL game,” Bell said.

So, football players don't have the freedom of speech when playing in the NFL.

Conversely - the job of a police officer is to 'protect and serve' unless we don't approve of your message, and then we don't protect or serve.
post #5723 of 6095
Is that freedom of speech though? I guess so. Tempting to say "shit's imperfect all the time, you're making ridic cash playing a basically stupid game in this imperfect society so stand the fuck up or we'll tap any of the next 900 guys in line for your spot."
post #5724 of 6095
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Is that freedom of speech though? I guess so. Tempting to say "shit's imperfect all the time, you're making ridic cash playing a basically stupid game in this imperfect society so stand the fuck up or we'll tap any of the next 900 guys in line for your spot."


The cops are in charge of the NFL now?

 

Also, why does it matter how much money they make; you make more money you have less rights?

post #5725 of 6095
I did say 'tempting'. Maybe the police need a civics lecture. They're on the job so just do the job.
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Also, why does it matter how much money they make; you make more money you have less rights?

Shouldn't this be in the Bernie thread? confused.gif
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Shouldn't this be in the Bernie thread? confused.gif

RIP

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these sort of private organizations like NFL or NBA do not have and never had freedom of speech, you can get fined for whole nr of things or get fired or even disowned by private comments not even related to the game vide Donald Sterling
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I would imagine getting cut for this would trigger and employment suit? Actually, I would imagine getting cut for any reason would lead to a suit it was about this.
Employments suits are few and far between for pro athletes. First off, there are virtually no "suits" in the sense of actual lawsuits, since everything gets grieved/arbitrated under the collective bargaining agreements. Even there, I think (although I'm no expert) it's pretty rare because the contract process (both in terms of what can be negotiated for, and in terms of how they are interpreted/implemented) is pretty standardized).
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My new life goal: get a job where I get paid even if I get fired for poor performance.  Preferably it has a 7 or 8 figure salary.
That's a lot of jobs in corporate Murica as well, right? Especially at the senior exec level?
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Did you guys know that Galileo successfully advanced heliocentrism not from rational arguments but rhetoric and word-play? See Feyerabend's Against Method.
Eh, depends (among other things) on what you mean by "successfully advanced". With Galileo (different person than Copernicus, by the way) the historical significance is really defending heliocentrism against the charge of heresy, an endeavor already rooted in rhetoric and word-play.
More generally, Feyerabend is like the history/philosophy of science version of the most annoying academic "crits" and deconstructionists. He himself relies on rhetoric, word play, and intentionally disingenuous disregard of context and nuance to argue, "see, nobody (but me of course) has ever thought clearly about anything or said anything that has any meaning."
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

these sort of private organizations like NFL or NBA do not have and never had freedom of speech, you can get fined for whole nr of things or get fired or even disowned by private comments not even related to the game vide Donald Sterling
While I'm sure we're all overcome with sympathy for Sterling, he's not really a great example. Owners and players stand in very different situations. The extent to which players may be subjected to sanctions by the league for expressive behavior is primarily governed by the collective bargaining agreement. The extent to which owners may be subjected to sanctions by the league for expressive behavior is largely governed by the league formation/charter documents.

More generally, while it's true that the First Amendment doesn't generally protect athletes or owners from private consequences for their expressive behavior, that's not something that's endemic to sports organizations. That's true of employers and private associations in America generally.
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