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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

My new life goal: get a job where I get paid even if I get fired for poor performance.  Preferably it has a 7 or 8 figure salary.

You can probably leave your employer and work for someone else whenever you want though.


Contracts pretty much universally work against the players in the NFL. They get drafted, they get traded, and then they don't really get much protection with contracts despite facing significant limitations because of them. NBA and MLB players are a lot better position. You get some funny situations like ARod getting $20 million/year for being one of the worst players in baseball, but I suppose that's the reward for being an all-time great earlier in his life.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


You can probably leave your employer and work for someone else whenever you want though.


Contracts pretty much universally work against the players in the NFL. They get drafted, they get traded, and then they don't really get much protection with contracts despite facing significant limitations because of them. NBA and MLB players are a lot better position. You get some funny situations like ARod getting $20 million/year for being one of the worst players in baseball, but I suppose that's the reward for being an all-time great earlier in his life.

 

That's fair.  I don't know much about the contracts in the various sports, but it makes sense with MLB where careers tend to be long, and they often spend several years in the minor leagues making little money.

 

Though, I do know that the numbers reported for contracts often include every little bonus, so most players don't see that number - they get bonuses for games played or HRs or whatever.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

That's fair.  I don't know much about the contracts in the various sports, but it makes sense with MLB where careers tend to be long, and they often spend several years in the minor leagues making little money.

Though, I do know that the numbers reported for contracts often include every little bonus, so most players don't see that number - they get bonuses for games played or HRs or whatever.

For whatever reason, the players union is a lot weaker in the NFL. Probably because careers are shorter and most of the players are a lot more replaceable.
post #5704 of 6244
Yup- and most times the guaranteed money is a very small amount (unless it's baseball)
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When Barry retired he got to keep millions in up front bonuses even though he had just resigned. Good for him and fuck the Lions.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


Though, I do know that the numbers reported for contracts often include every little bonus, so most players don't see that number - they get bonuses for games played or HRs or whatever.

Baseball doesn't actually allow this. That's why the Yankees had to structure A-Rod's HR bonuses as marketing payments and not performance or playing incentives which basically allowed them not pay him when it was later found out he had been taking steroids. I'm not too sure about NBA but I don't think they allow performance or playing incentives either. NFL is the only US sport that I know for sure allows this.
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Baseball doesn't actually allow this. That's why the Yankees had to structure A-Rod's HR bonuses as marketing payments and not performance or playing incentives which basically allowed them not pay him when it was later found out he had been taking steroids. I'm not too sure about NBA but I don't think they allow performance or playing incentives either. NFL is the only US sport that I know for sure allows this.

You're right about HRs, but innings pitched, plate appearances, etc are allowed.

Really interesting article to keep this secant going: http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2015/12/contracts-baseball
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

My new life goal: get a job where I get paid even if I get fired for poor performance.  Preferably it has a 7 or 8 figure salary.

There are actually better jobs. You could become a libertarian economist at a state university and receive a shit load of donation to produce phoney econ theories railing against taxation, etc while at the same time getting a nice 6 figure taxpayer-funded salary.
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There are actually better jobs. You could become a libertarian economist at a state university and receive a shit load of donation to produce phoney econ theories railing against taxation, etc while at the same time getting a nice 6 figure taxpayer-funded salary.

Or I could suck on the taxpayers tit for $174k per year, own three houses, get huge donations from large corporations, and retire at any time for a sweet pension package. All the while, I could scream about how the poor are getting screwed and we need to control companies and we have far too many deodorant choices in America.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Or I could suck on the taxpayers tit for $174k per year, own three houses, get huge donations from large corporations, and retire at any time for a sweet pension package. All the while, I could scream about how the poor are getting screwed and we need to control companies and we have far too many deodorant choices in America.

True! I guess we agree that they all suck ass.
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I think the case with Kaepernick is you have to be somewhat good at the game and of reasonable public character in order to 1968 Olympics yourself, or else it looks like you're doing it for attention.

 

What are some other recommended threads I can impose myself on/in? This one's too hard to keep up with.

 

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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post


Baseball doesn't actually allow this. That's why the Yankees had to structure A-Rod's HR bonuses as marketing payments and not performance or playing incentives which basically allowed them not pay him when it was later found out he had been taking steroids. I'm not too sure about NBA but I don't think they allow performance or playing incentives either. NFL is the only US sport that I know for sure allows this.

 

The NBA has performance incentives, see Anthony Davis this past season. Pretty sure Baseball has awards based incentives, not positive though. There are lots of contracts with vesting options which is pretty much the same thing.

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Agreed. I misread "Copernicus" and have been confused for three pages.
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

Agreed. I misread "Copernicus" and have been confused for three pages.

Your heliocentrism isn't welcome here.
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Did you guys know that Galileo successfully advanced heliocentrism not from rational arguments but rhetoric and word-play? See Feyerabend's Against Method.

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Oh man this sounds like college. Can we just pretend we read it and drink rum an watch Narcos instead?
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