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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I have to say not knowing the difference between two Nissans is not something I'm going to quibble over.

This is still a horrendous fuck up and I doubt would have happened in a white neighborhood,

I just find it weird that their first assumption is that a car in the driveway meant that the carjacker came BACK with a stolen car, rather than the simple explanation of "it's just the other family car".
post #5567 of 6081
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

Pardon me sir but you have it backwards. Canadians are the elite in the world for treating absolutely any group aside from hetero white males as helpless victims in need of government's help. Specifically our "natural governing party", the Liberals. Liberals are red while Conservatives are blue..now consider the flag. :P
Ha, fair enough. But I assumed the question was about the American Left. As has been previously discussed in this thread, far from viewing Canadians as victims, the American Left is in love with and envious of all things Canadian.
post #5568 of 6081
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Originally Posted by whiteslashasian View Post

I just find it weird that their first assumption is that a car in the driveway meant that the carjacker came BACK with a stolen car, rather than the simple explanation of "it's just the other family car".

Black people can only afford one car!
post #5569 of 6081
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Ataturk, you forgot where he tells the cops what color shirt and hat the carjacker is wearing.



#notsureifserious
post #5570 of 6081
Reports I read said it was the same car that was reported stolen and that it'd apparently been left because it wouldn't start. Not to mention that the guy says "Is that him, is that him?" right before hanging up.

Also, it's hard to see colors at 4:30 in the morning, hats can be removed, having a long gun doesn't preclude also having a pistol, etc.

It seems like there's plenty of blame to go around in this case.
post #5571 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Reports I read said it was the same car that was reported stolen and that it'd apparently been left because it wouldn't start. Not to mention that the guy says "Is that him, is that him?" right before hanging up.

Also, it's hard to see colors at 4:30 in the morning, hats can be removed, having a long gun doesn't preclude also having a pistol, etc.

It seems like there's plenty of blame to go around in this case.


And what exactly did the homeowner do wrong here?
post #5572 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It seems like there's plenty of blame to go around in this case.

Yep. I blame the black homeowner for being dumb enough to call the cops and putting a white cop in that position. The black guy should've known better.
post #5573 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Yep. I blame the black homeowner for being dumb enough to call the cops and putting a white cop in that position. The black guy should've known better.

Obviously the homeowner should have known a black man holding a gun is always a target for police shootings.
post #5574 of 6081
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

Yes it is. Racism has created the culture of Black Americans. Our culture is 100% a creation of this nation and hence racism is at the root of almost everything since racism was an integral part of every black person to ever live in America's existence.

Racism causes a 16-year-old to drop out of high school or get pregnant? Can you name anything wrong with the current state of black culture that would cause you to place some blame on the individual or on left wing policy? If we both agree that racism is a part of any multi-cultural society, by extension of your logic black Americans are destined to be in the same place a century from now because it's impossible to completely irradiate racism.

Let's break this down mathematically so I can better understand you. Suppose a 16-year-old black girl gets pregnant and drops out of high school. Let's take that decision and make it a percentage. Give me the breakdown as to what portion of that is her fault, and what portion was caused by racism. Is it even 1% her decision and consequently her fault? 10%?

If the girl were white, how would those numbers change?
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

You don't find it odd that the 2 peoples that were systematcally shit on (and that is putting it mildly) the most by America, the Native Americans and the Blacks, also occupy the lowest rungs of society today?  And just because the official policy changed recently (and by recently I mean in our lifetime) doesn't meant that things will become hunky dory immediately. Is it that hard to understand that the result of that hundreds of years of oppression will not right itself overnight?

Here's what I don't find odd - you've got a group of people that were oppressed in the past. We want to move past that. We pass laws, make discrimination illegal, and try to integrate society as best as any multi-cultural society could be integrated. Except this one group of people are inundated with messaging convincing them that their situation is hopeless just because they're black, and whose male role models have been replaced by government checks and overall family structure and community replaced by government handouts. They're not doing so hot when you look at just about any stat. I don't find that odd. I find it very predictable. Who would have thought this approach wouldn't lift them out of poverty?

Pretend we give this left wing experiment on black America another 50 years. If things haven't improved, would you consider admitting that maybe we are using the wrong approach?
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

And what exactly did the homeowner do wrong here?

A few little things... reporting that the car had been taken when it hadn't, hanging up abruptly after making a statement suggesting that the carjacker had returned, going outside armed after calling the cops.
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Racism causes a 16-year-old to drop out of high school or get pregnant? Can you name anything wrong with the current state of black culture that would cause you to place some blame on the individual or on left wing policy? If we both agree that racism is a part of any multi-cultural society, by extension of your logic black Americans are destined to be in the same place a century from now because it's impossible to completely irradiate racism.

Let's break this down mathematically so I can better understand you. Suppose a 16-year-old black girl gets pregnant and drops out of high school. Let's take that decision and make it a percentage. Give me the breakdown as to what portion of that is her fault, and what portion was caused by racism. Is it even 1% her decision and consequently her fault? 10%?

This is really a facile argument. The point of discussing the historical factors that influenced "black culture" is to show that it's a complex situation, and one that can't be reduced to "black culture is bad." There's no way to pull a percentage out of a system where nearly every factor in interrelated.


And there's a major difference between personally held racist beliefs and government sponsored racial discrimination.
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If the girl were white, how would those numbers change?
Not so much if they're in rural Appalachia, but I don't see a lot of pearl clutching over that.
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Pretend we give this left wing experiment on black America another 50 years. If things haven't improved, would you consider admitting that maybe we are using the wrong approach?

And you predict that a "well, just bootstrap your way into fixing your culture" would result in progress?


Blaming "culture" and just walking off isn't going to fix anything. There's some middle ground between handing out checks and doing nothing. This is a significant societal problem. Ignoring it leads to cops getting shot and buildings getting burned, which I'm pretty sure we don't want.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It seems like there's plenty of blame to go around in this case.

Yep. I blame the black homeowner for being dumb enough to call the cops and putting a white cop in that position. The black guy should've known better.

yea he should have, anyway if you're sick and tired of your wife that seems like a good plan
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

This is really a facile argument. The point of discussing the historical factors that influenced "black culture" is to show that it's a complex situation, and one that can't be reduced to "black culture is bad." There's no way to pull a percentage out of a system where nearly every factor in interrelated.

yea but is bad though, asian were racially discriminated agianst and now they are richer than whites in the USA, also they started with little to nothing in comparison with whites. Ofc it's not that easy since you can easily make case that black people were at bigger disadvantage but still cultural context matters. Usually asians are less criminal than even indignous populations(immigrants have usually on avg higher criminality than natives) -also in countries in Europe. For example in Germany Chinese do less of virtually every crime than average immigrant of any country and even less crime than germans themselves. And on avg they focus alot on work and education.
post #5578 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

A few little things... reporting that the car had been taken when it hadn't, hanging up abruptly after making a statement suggesting that the carjacker had returned, going outside armed after calling the cops.

They thought the car had been taken and they thought the carjacker had returned. So in your mind that gives the police a pass for shooting him?

As for your last point, I thought you were big on the 2nd amendment and people's right to carry and defend themselves. Does that suddenly go down the toilet when you call the cops for help?
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

As for your last point, I thought you were big on the 2nd amendment and people's right to carry and defend themselves. Does that suddenly go down the toilet when you call the cops for help?

Only if you're black. Black guy with a gun=thug. White guy with a gun= armed citizen legally practicing 2nd amendment right.
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Only if you're black. Black guy with a gun=thug. White guy with a gun= armed citizen legally practicing 2nd amendment right.

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