Originally Posted by Gibonius
You understand that slavery was not the last form of legal discrimination against blacks, right? Blacks were being legally and openly discriminated against within the last 40 years.
It's not like Jim Crow was some kind of secret. Why ignore modern discrimination, other than to deliberately minimize the problem?
We've had these discussions before, and I still pose the same hypothetical. Let's pretend I concede to your point. Now what? We have welfare, affirmative action and have made racial discrimination illegal. If you think racism is the problem, what would you do about it?
The left tried sorting this out for decades by blaming racism and the single parent household rate is like 73%. I think they've had a long enough run. Can we make any conclusions yet? How long does their experiment need to go on before we can look at the findings?
Racism is always going to exist in a multi-cultural society. Its existence doesn't mean it's the real problem and we shouldn't blame everything on it just because it's the easiest thing to do because it lets us ignore certain truths that make people uncomfortable / secures votes for one party.
Originally Posted by erictheobscure
Are you really this obtuse? It's not just that black people were legally segregated until the mid-twentieth century, as Gibonius points out. But also, as a result of American history leading up to that moment (and afterwards, really, since desegregation was a shitshow that revealed how must a lot of people loved their racism), black Americans were denied massive amounts of familial, intergenerational wealth accumulation. And not just literal wealth, but also cultural capital (e.g., access to the social networks that lead to prestige).
Yes, there will come a time when this history will have lost a lot of its explanatory force. But when that time is, exactly, isn't for some mouthbreather like you to decide at his ideological convenience.
If we hopped in a time machine, you'd be saying the same thing 200 years from now. Do you really think I don't know that, or that it's not obvious to anyone with exposure to this kind of nonsense? There will never be a time and a place when you think it's acceptable for certain people to take responsibility. I am not denying that racism plays a role, but it is no longer the primary cause. Not by a long shot.
Racism isn't causing 73% of black women to have babies without a father to help raise and financially support it. It's not causing the high school drop out rate. Stop victimizing people who would be capable of fending for themselves if it weren't for a political party hitting them with unrelenting propaganda that convinces them otherwise.
You act like this approach is unique to black Americans. Can you name a single group courted by the left that isn't portrayed as a helpless victim?