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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

They are directed at places where violent crime happens, not places where people of any given color live.

I knew that was going to be your reply. What about all the law abiding citizens in the area?
post #5462 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I knew that was going to be your reply. What about all the law abiding citizens in the area?

What about them? Do you imagine that "stop and frisk" means that random people are searched without cause? Because that's not what it is and not what it ever was. Police can only stop people when they have reasonable suspicion that the person is committing or has committed or is about to commit a crime.
post #5463 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

What about them? Do you imagine that "stop and frisk" means that random people are searched without cause? Because that's not what it is and not what it ever was. Police can only stop people when they have reasonable suspicion that the person is committing or has committed or is about to commit a crime.

So give me some examples then of this "reasonable suspicion."
post #5464 of 6095
You want me to watch some ten-minute long youtube propaganda piece? Pass. Google reasonable suspicion if you're interested in what it means.
post #5465 of 6095
Just watch the first couple of minutes where a federal judge deems it unconstitutional and de facto racist?
post #5466 of 6095
Would that be the same judge who was removed from the case by the appeals court shortly after making that decision?
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No idea. Link?
post #5468 of 6095
It was. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/nyregion/federal-panel-softens-tone-on-judge-it-removed-from-stop-and-frisk-case.html
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But in the opinion issued late Wednesday, the three-judge panel seemed eager to explain its terse Oct. 31 order, in which it bluntly declared that Judge Scheindlin “ran afoul” of the judicial code of conduct by appearing to steer the stop-and-frisk litigation to her docket in 2007 and by giving press interviews while the case was pending. The judge’s actions had compromised “the appearance of impartiality surrounding this litigation,” the panel had said.

The tone of the new opinion is completely different. It describes Judge Scheindlin as “a long-serving and distinguished jurist.” It notes that the earlier order had referred to the judicial code of conduct. “We now clarify that we did not intend to imply in our previous order that Judge Scheindlin engaged in misconduct,” the panel said.

The panel did not back away from its earlier conclusion that certain actions by the judge related to how the stop-and-frisk lawsuit ended up before her would lead “a reasonable observer” to “conclude that the appearance of impartiality had been compromised.” Those actions, combined with her press statements, the panel said, could lead such an observer to “question the impartiality of the judge.”
post #5469 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Racism isn't the cause of problems in the black community...

Was racism ever the cause of problems within the black community? Oh wait - the entire reason "the black community" exists is because of racism
post #5470 of 6095
Her conduct and the ruling are two different thing, right?
post #5471 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Was racism ever the cause of problems within the black community? Oh wait - the entire reason "the black community" exists is because of racism

The modern state of the black community is pretty heavily influenced by overtly racist policies that were in effect within the last generation. The government was employed to keep blacks away from whites, keep them poor, and keep them from developing any political power. Blacks were pretty much legally excluded from the huge economic boom of the 50 and 60s. People really think the legacy of that lasts less than a single lifetime?


Whether you agree with the conclusion or not, "The Case for Reparations" by Ta Nehisi Coates really lays out all the ways that government policies (active and passive) excluded black Americans from economic growth. Just looking at housing policies explains a lot. You keep people poor and confine them to particular neighborhoods, then wonder how a dysfunctional culture might develop and perpetuate even after the active discrimination disappears.
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I've mentioned here ad nauseam that I grew up in Jim Crow southern Louisiana 1945-1965 . The first black child allowed to attend a white schoolwas the year after I graduated high school . If anyone thinks those attitudes have been reversed since then they are delusional.

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I don't understand why the usual suspects are ducking my simple question

I don't think you're telling what L'Inc might call a fact of truth.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Was racism ever the cause of problems within the black community? Oh wait - the entire reason "the black community" exists is because of racism

Yes, it was obviously the cause of problems at some point. I was called insensitive for claiming that we shouldn't be blaming slavery in 2016. Just checking, when will it be alright to claim slavery is no longer causing these problems? That's a serious question. Another 150 years? 300? If anyone cares about fixing it, and it seems like most people don't, you'll never solve the problem until it becomes okay to acknowledge it and admit that maybe blaming slavery hasn't been very productive.

We have affirmative action. We have welfare programs. It's already illegal to discriminate based on race. I'm not naive enough to believe it never happens, but it's already illegal. If you think racism is the main driver of these problems and given the steps we've already taken, what are you proposing we do?
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Yes, it was obviously the cause of problems at some point. I was called insensitive for claiming that we shouldn't be blaming slavery in 2016. Just checking, when will it be alright to claim slavery is no longer causing these problems? That's a serious question. Another 150 years? 300? If anyone cares about fixing it, and it seems like most people don't, you'll never solve the problem until it becomes okay to acknowledge it and admit that maybe blaming slavery hasn't been very productive.

We have affirmative action. We have welfare programs. It's already illegal to discriminate based on race. I'm not naive enough to believe it never happens, but it's already illegal. If you think racism is the main driver of these problems and given the steps we've already taken, what are you proposing we do?

You understand that slavery was not the last form of legal discrimination against blacks, right? Blacks were being legally and openly discriminated against within the last 40 years.

It's not like Jim Crow was some kind of secret. Why ignore modern discrimination, other than to deliberately minimize the problem?
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