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wrong again

Whatever other cesspool of the internet goes on about "cucks" then.

I watch mainly new media channels ranging from cucks like TYT(mostly for laughs these days), Secular talk, through Rubin Report, Bill Maher many 'new atheist' and political commentary channels and sometimes Milo Y.(probably biggest % of cuck/page being used there), occasionally mainstream news channels like CNN, RT etc, not any particular website or one source if you need to know.
post #5432 of 6095
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Undoubtedly true (for the most part), but that wasn't the point of illustration. It works just as well for murders, which I think you'll have a harder time attributing to policing bias (but no harder time blaming on racism!).

I think that's the problem with pulling individual cases out to "prove" the point. You can't prove a systematic effect by looking at an individual case. It just turns into an exercise in analysis bias.


You don't excuse individual failings because of structural problems, but you shouldn't ignore the structural problems because of personal responsibility.
post #5433 of 6095
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I think that's the problem with pulling individual cases out to "prove" the point. You can't prove a systematic effect by looking at an individual case. It just turns into an exercise in analysis bias.


You don't excuse individual failings because of structural problems, but you shouldn't ignore the structural problems because of personal responsibility.

Complex problem hard. Cuz No Ezee solution. Hard. Go away if close eyez.
post #5434 of 6095
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I think that's the problem with pulling individual cases out to "prove" the point. You can't prove a systematic effect by looking at an individual case. It just turns into an exercise in analysis bias.

This sounds like a good letter to CNN. Maybe we can copy it to the president, too.
post #5435 of 6095
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This sounds like a good letter to CNN. Maybe we can copy it to the president, too.

And of course you applied that message exclusively to "liberals."







Now back to our 5000 post thread on disgusting police violence, of which every individual incident is justified and has nothing to do with any broader problems.
post #5436 of 6095
You can't prove a systemic issue by citing to one individual case, but a couple dozen ought to do it, eh?
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You can't prove a systemic issue by citing to one individual case, but a couple dozen ought to do it, eh?

1. It's not just a couple dozen.
2. As the same size grows larger, explanatory power grows in significance...
post #5438 of 6095
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How do you decouple this from policing practices? There's no objective knowledge of traffic offenses, it all comes from stops made by police. And that's heavily influenced by their choices (which are colored by bias) and their individual district's policies.

It's an admitted practice that cops use traffic violations as an opportunity to scan people for warrants, look for drugs and weapons, etc. Like with stop and frisk, cops don't do this randomly, so they focus on poor people and minorities. It's rational, based on crime rates, but that doesn't help much if you're a law abiding black just trying to get by.

yea, that's the thing right there
being profiled =//= any significant form of oppresion, it's in vast majority of cases it's an inconvience

if you treat it as instiutionalized oppresion by the same metric you should admit rampant instutional sexism in police forces as highly disporportionate number of stopped people are male

if stopped person is treated fairly it does not equal institutionalised racism, men are stopped more than women it's playing the percentages same as black men being stopped more than white or asian.

there was no doubt systemic racism in the usa for decades not even long ago, but i just don't see a great case for it now even if you look at major offenders like the police
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, it's in vast majority of cases it's an inconvience

Well, except the cases where you get killed.
post #5440 of 6095
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there was no doubt systemic racism in the usa for decades not even long ago, but i just don't see a great case for it now even if you look at major offenders like the police

 

So when, in your opinion, did that stop being the case? 1950? 1960? 1970?  1980?  1990? 

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Yea but they are miniscule minority of cases not common occurances
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Guys, some citizens getting killed by agents of the state without due process is just the price we pay for living in a civilized society.  Take it from the Eastern European.

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Well, except the cases where you get killed.

Or if you're poor and a couple hundreds bucks in tickets makes a difference.


The Ferguson investigation showed that the police were basically out for revenue, and that it (coincidentally, I'm sure) came disproportionately from black residents. Can't imagine why a community might feel discriminated against when the government is instructing the police to fleece them for dumb bullshit on a regular basis.
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I don't understand why the usual suspects are ducking my simple question

post #5445 of 6095
Perhaps it simply more appropriate to remove the word "systemic" from the discussion. Agree?


I mean, nobody is arguing that racism doesnt exist.
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