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post #5401 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

If anyone can walk away from this thread not thinking there's a problem with policing methodology in the US they're wearing blinders.

well everybody agrees on that expect for maybe Ataturk, still BLM are scum, only reason why they get a pass with their antics is because of high prevalence of white guilt in your society
post #5402 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

What about the cop shooter?

"Maybe this is your neighborhood; perhaps you grew up in one just like it. Nobody knows better than you how important aggressive law enforcement is to protect the law-abiding residents of black neighborhoods. You’re well aware of the decay that has led fatherless young men to roam the streets, terrorizing other African-Americans. You know that society has called upon you to clean up the mess caused by broken families, inadequate educational systems and rampant unemployment. The frustration felt by the African-American community has many causes - but you are the one left to deal with its effects.

But you also know that your role as societal janitor has led you to the backyard in which you now find yourself. If you end this young man’s life, elected officials may fail to back you up, instead making vague calls for “justice,” assuming you share equal blame for what happened. Your congresswoman will issue a statement blaming the incident on “the hostile environment cultivated by the flagrant racial inequality and segregation that has plagued Milwaukee for generations,” not on a criminal brandishing a gun while trying to evade arrest.
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Good story in Milwaukee - Wisconsin Journal Sentinel, about considering the Officer

http://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/columnists/christian-schneider/2016/08/15/schneider-milwaukee-shooting-consider-officer/88761866/

Of course, today many make Michael Brown and Sylville Smith the heros, and Darren Wilson and this Milwaukee cop, the criminals.

Yay, more false dichotomies for the win!
post #5403 of 6095
I love Ata lol

»Do you consider dealing drugs a victimless crime?«
lol8[1].gif

'Uh, yeah. Abso-fuckin-lutely.'

I even consider it a form of entrepreneurialism.
post #5404 of 6095
well the idea that people get jailed for dealing weed when alc and tobacco are legal is a travesty, but that's another topic
post #5405 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Yay, more false dichotomies for the win!

Yeah, right.

A. Your congresswoman will issue a statement blaming the incident on “the hostile environment cultivated by the flagrant racial inequality and segregation that has plagued Milwaukee for generations,” or

B. a criminal brandishing a gun while trying to evade arrest."

Pop quiz,

Question, "Which contributes more to the many incidents in American cities the past few years? Scenario A or B

I pick B
post #5406 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Yeah, right.

A. Your congresswoman will issue a statement blaming the incident on “the hostile environment cultivated by the flagrant racial inequality and segregation that has plagued Milwaukee for generations,” or

B. a criminal brandishing a gun while trying to evade arrest."

Pop quiz,

Question, "Which contributes more to the many incidents in American cities the past few years? Scenario A or B

I pick B

Yes, that explains every police shooting in the history of the republic. Our work here is done.
post #5407 of 6095
I think that's exactly the topic Ata opened the lid on when defending the rightitude of "having" a significant non-violent crime prison population.
post #5408 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Yes, that explains every police shooting in the history of the republic. Our work here is done.

Of course it doesn't explain all shootings. Michael Brown was unarmed, and some shootings are a mix of answer A and B. But it generally asks if you think these incidents are based more on systemic underpinnings or are based on specific situations. Of course there can be some of each in some incidents. But it a good question to see if someone believes more in the "Systemic Racism " explanation or the "Specific Instance" explanation.

I was being a little sarcastic and jocular, but I really believe that the specific incidents contribute a lot more, like 95%, to these incidents than the Systemic Underpinnings.

I don't want to go over every case but I know them pretty well. This Milwaukee case is 99% situational and 1% Systemic. Tamir Rice was the opposite. Akai Gurley was similar to Rice. Michael Brown was situational. I think the great majority of these cases are situational, with a few being part of a Systemic problem.

Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, Jamar Clark, etc etc We can go down the list. Are they mostly Systemic influenced or situational. I definitely say situational.

And somewhere, Saul Alinsky has a shit eating grin.
post #5409 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

But it a good question to see if someone believes more in the "Systemic Racism " explanation or the "Specific Instance" explanation.

If you say so. I'd suggest it's a better test for something else -- whether someone actually believes in thinking or simply sloganeering. If they choose A or B, they are probably the latter.
Anyone who thinks that any incident isn't rooted in the specifics of that situation, or that the specifics of particular incidents won't sometimes reflect systemic racism, is absurd.
post #5410 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

If you say so. I'd suggest it's a better test for something else -- whether someone actually believes in thinking or simply sloganeering. If they choose A or B, they are probably the latter.
Anyone who thinks that any incident isn't rooted in the specifics of that situation, or that the specifics of particular incidents won't sometimes reflect systemic racism, is absurd.

Good post. This sounds like my MO. Cover all bases while committing to none.
post #5411 of 6095
The recent police shooting or other deaths which translated into a violent civil disturbance (Ferguson, Baltimore and, now, Milwaukee) had one important factor in common: all of the dead young men were themselves part of the local criminal culture. The people who are burning down gas stations or convenience stores are no doubt violent criminals who strongly identify with the victim of controversial death often because they know them personally. Although there were organized protests related to the Eric Garner case, there was never anything that could be called a riot despite the video of his undeserved death being widely broadcast. One reason is that the 44-year old Garner wasn't really a criminal and didn't really have thug buddies.

Riots draw media attention and so become inherently a big deal. The deaths of thugs are the most likely to cause riots because thugs have thug friends who are likely to riot. Thug deaths are also most likely to be justifiable. This is why it might seem like justifiable police actions seem to repeatedly be a focus of the protest movement.

The BLM civil protest movement is obviously distinct from violent riots, though there is just as obviously a symbiosis between this movement and the media attention generated by riots. However, it seems that wiser heads have come to believe that it is politically counter-productive for the movement to be too closely related to civil disturbances. So, the distinction between civil protest and violence will be more sharply drawn, at least until after the election.
post #5412 of 6095

It came out the the police officer actually knew the victim as they went to the same high school.

 

http://fox6now.com/2016/08/15/they-knew-each-other-sister-of-sylville-smith-says-officer-was-no-stranger-to-her-family/

 

Also

 

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 "If my brother did have his gun in his hand, why he didn't shoot back? If he's gonna go out, why not go out with a fight? Why not go out with a big bang?" asked Smith.

That was the sister of the victim. 

post #5413 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Anyone who thinks that any incident isn't rooted in the specifics of that situation, or that the specifics of particular incidents won't sometimes reflect systemic racism, is absurd.

sometimes is not strongest word when coupled with systemic
post #5414 of 6095
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

sometimes is not strongest word when coupled with systemic

I know it's not in keeping with the traditions of this thread, but I occasionally choose accuracy over "strength" in my statements.
Racism is a strong contributing factor to some events. Other events, not so much. And some shit that happens just happens and doesn't really tell us much one way or the other about the effect, or lack thereof, of systemic racism (or lack thereof).

That level of complexity is, I realize, too much for some of our poasters to handle.
post #5415 of 6095
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

sometimes is not strongest word when coupled with systemic

Oh, well, if blacks aren't getting discriminated against in 100% of their interactions with police, then clearly there's no problem.
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