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Reading this thread would have one believe that AA frustration and mistrust of the police is a relatively recent phenomenon brought about by the "BLM scum" as opposed to a problem that has been quietly suffered for literally hundreds of years.  In the old days (I suppose before the 1960s in the more progressive parts of the country and the 1980s in the more conservative parts) they expected to be treated poorly and just bore that burden in relative silence.  The funny/sad part is that as badly as they believe they are being treated, AAs in 2016 are treated far better by the police than any other time in American history. 

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Reading this thread would have one believe that AA frustration and mistrust of the police is a relatively recent phenomenon brought about by the "BLM scum" as opposed to a problem that has been quietly suffered for literally hundreds of years.

Quietly suffered? We literally had a fucking war over this.

More ink has probably been spilled over this then almost any other issue in American politics. The idea that racial (by which wer mean black) issues in America are somehow back burnered or ignored is absolutely ludicrous.
post #5388 of 6081
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Quietly suffered? We literally had a fucking war over this.

More ink has probably been spilled over this then almost any other issue in American politics. The idea that racial (by which wer mean black) issues in America are somehow back burnered or ignored is absolutely ludicrous.

 

We fought a war over what?  100 years after that war AAs were still fighting and dying just for the right to vote.  If that isn't the back burner I don't know what is

post #5389 of 6081
My bad, I was reading quickly and did not notice that you specially mentioned police. No war over that.

I still don't agree that this has been an issue that is ignored. I mean the term DWB has entered the lexicon, we're all well aware of the issues (or supposed issues) facing black communities.
Edited by NorCal - 8/15/16 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I suspect people in the black community have been trying to have a calm and rational conversation about these issues for a long time, with very little traction. It took something more...energetic to get the issue into the national conversation. When the calm voices are ignored (indefinitely) and the radical voices dismissed for being too radical, I'm not sure there's any conclusion other than just not wanting to do anything about those issues.

How about this: black people are frustrated because almost everyone -- especially in the media -- claims to accept the narrative of the big bad racist cops, but no one does anything about it (because the even the Democrats know better). Maybe they'd be less frustrated if the establishment would actually challenge the narrative?
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How about this: black people are frustrated because almost everyone -- especially in the media -- claims to accept the narrative of the big bad racist cops, but no one does anything about it (because the even the Democrats know better). Maybe they'd be less frustrated if the establishment would actually challenge the narrative?

How about this:  The big bad racist cop is not a figment of the imagination but was a real and everyday threat for about 200 years.  While today's issues pale in comparison to those of even 50 years ago they are still pressing issues for those who are on the receiving end of police brutality.  You're more concerned about controlling the narrative.  They're more concerned about changing the paradigm
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That would explain why old black people have such a problem with the cops, while the young ones get along just fine.
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That would explain why old black people have such a problem with the cops, while the young ones get along just fine.

Those probably aren't really old people. They're just lying about their ages.
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for the bennies, of course.

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That would explain why old black people have such a problem with the cops, while the young ones get along just fine.

From what I have observed, older black people have been conditioned to bow their heads and keep their mouths shut as a survival technique. Younger ones are much quicker to vocalize dissatisfaction with the status quo. In the good ole days bucking the system was an easy way to get killed. That had been proven over and over again
Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 8/15/16 at 5:09pm
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when i was in like 6th grade i was supposed to interview an older person as a summer assignment. i would later learn that it was supposed to be somebody i knew like my grandparents.

 

but i was a dumb kid so i thought it had to be some random old person. lol i had my mom drive me to some random retirement home and i knocked on some random door and talked to some random black lady for an hour (at least she claimed to be old lol). 

 

i had no idea what to ask her so i just gave her carte blanche to talk about whatever and she went on and on about dealing with racism as a younger lady. this would've been rural washington state in the early 90s. could be that she just didn't talk about it until somebody asked her for an opinion. i do remember that i definitely didn't bring the topic up.

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The thing about the Big Bad Racist Cop thing is...look at this thread. It doesn't exist just because of racist police incidents. It exists because of power abusing assholes.

Getting rid of the Big Bad Cop period would probably go a long way towards alleviating the concerns of BLM towards police.

I don't mean to say that in a #alllivesmatter sense at all--just that addressing general unacceptable use of force might be easier than trying to figure out which cops are racist in their use of unacceptable force and which are just assholes to everyone.
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If anyone can walk away from this thread not thinking there's a problem with policing methodology in the US they're wearing blinders.
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If anyone can walk away from this thread not thinking there's a problem with policing methodology in the US they're wearing blinders.

Hard to accurately target even a fat, sedentary target when you're wearing blinders.
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What about the cop shooter?

"Maybe this is your neighborhood; perhaps you grew up in one just like it. Nobody knows better than you how important aggressive law enforcement is to protect the law-abiding residents of black neighborhoods. You’re well aware of the decay that has led fatherless young men to roam the streets, terrorizing other African-Americans. You know that society has called upon you to clean up the mess caused by broken families, inadequate educational systems and rampant unemployment. The frustration felt by the African-American community has many causes - but you are the one left to deal with its effects.

But you also know that your role as societal janitor has led you to the backyard in which you now find yourself. If you end this young man’s life, elected officials may fail to back you up, instead making vague calls for “justice,” assuming you share equal blame for what happened. Your congresswoman will issue a statement blaming the incident on “the hostile environment cultivated by the flagrant racial inequality and segregation that has plagued Milwaukee for generations,” not on a criminal brandishing a gun while trying to evade arrest.
"

Good story in Milwaukee - Wisconsin Journal Sentinel, about considering the Officer

http://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/columnists/christian-schneider/2016/08/15/schneider-milwaukee-shooting-consider-officer/88761866/

Of course, today many make Michael Brown and Sylville Smith the heros, and Darren Wilson and this Milwaukee cop, the criminals.
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