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post #511 of 6095
Did she actually give him the money back? I feel like that's where you call the bouncer no matter who the guy says he is.
post #512 of 6095
Originally Posted by otc View Post

Did she actually give him the money back? I feel like that's where you call the bouncer no matter who the guy says he is.

Yeah, she called the bouncer but the cop took the money back. When a cop shows you a badge you obey or get shot.
post #513 of 6095
Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Yeah, she called the bouncer but the cop took the money back. When a cop shows you a badge you obey or get shot.

Well, she would've deserved it. Wasn't she resisting while carrying a wallet?
post #514 of 6095
Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Yeah, she called the bouncer but the cop took the money back. When a cop shows you a badge you obey or get shot.

The bouncer should have told him to leave and get a court order. Of course in the real world we all know how the cop and his bestest buddies would have retaliated.
post #515 of 6095
Cranesy, you don't tell a cop what to do. They tell you what to do and if you don't comply they kill you.
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Oklahoma Highway Police Accused Of Beating Elderly Deaf Man For Failing To Respond To Oral Commands


Police in Oklahoma highway police are facing questions this week after beating an elderly deaf Oklahoma man, Pearl Pearson, 64, after he allegedly refused to comply with their orders during a routine traffic stop.

Police say that Pearson left the scene of a minor automobile accident and was pulled over on January 3rd. They say that they verbally ordered Pearson from their cruiser to show his hands and did not do so.

Pearson had a large sign on his driver’s door stating, “Driver is deaf.” However, he says that the police ran up to the car and started hitting him in the face as he tried to show them an identification card explaining that he is deaf.

He was arrested for resisting arrest and leaving the scene of an accident. He says that he was then denied a sign interpreter which he was in jail and has never been given such an interpreter to speak with police at the hospital or at the jail.

What is also interesting is that Pearl’s son is a police officer as is his son-in-law — a fact that his family say that he is unlikely to ever resist police.

While I can understand the arrest for leaving the scene, there are obviously a host of questions as to how the police handled this pull over stop on the highway. I am equally concerned with the alleged absence of an interpreter in such a case when police have beaten a man to the point of requiring hospital treatment. I am not sure how the hospital was able to address those injuries without such an interpreter.

News reports also state that the police affidavit made no mention whether or not the troopers realized Pearson was deaf. That would seem a pretty relevant issue for a police report.
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I thought this thread was getting too far down the list so thought I'd bump it up with this story:


but then found Gimpy beat me (pun intended?) to the punch with the story about the cops putting the hurt on a 10 year old. Oh well, here's the other incident involving a SWAT team raid on people suspected of the heinous and violent crime of credit card fraud:

Family calls Ankeny police raid excessive

Official says the approach was needed because someone inside owned a gun

Justin Ross was in the bathroom next to his bedroom when a squad of Ankeny police officers rammed through a side door of his home.

It was just before 10:20 a.m. Thursday, and the officers — wearing body armor and carrying rifles — used a battering ram to enter the house on the east side of Des Moines. According to a search warrant, they were looking for cellphones, a television, other electronics and clothes they say might have been purchased with stolen credit cards.

“I want to know why they didn’t just knock, why they didn’t communicate with anybody outside of taking a battering ram to the door,” Ross, 24, said. “I’ve never been anything but cooperative so they had no reason to believe anybody was going to resist ... If they’d have just knocked and said, ‘Hey, can I search,’ we would have let them.”

Critics say the search, which is gaining national attention, was an excessive, military-style raid for a credit card theft case. Ankeny police are defending the raid, saying they needed to use that approach to protect officers’ safety.

Ankeny police Capt. Makai Echer said officers knew at least one person in the house had a permit to carry a firearm. She said the department isn’t currently investigating how officers handled the search, nor does the department have a written policy for executing warrants.

“Every warrant that we do is based on information we have about the subjects in the residence we’re entering,” she said.

No one had been charged by Tuesday with crimes stemming from the credit card theft, but Echer said police have requested arrest warrants after finding items purchased illegally. She would not say how many warrants were requested, for what specific charges or what items police believe were purchased with the cards.

Radley Balko, a journalist who blogged about the incident on WashingtonPost.com, said the type of force used by Ankeny police is on the rise nationally.

“I think there is cause for great concern when it comes to the idea of state and local governments using more and more force for increasingly petty crimes,” said Balko, the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces.”

At least two doors kicked open by police were damaged, as well as a side door that police used a battering ram to open, said Ross, who lives at the east Des Moines house.

He and three others were in the house in the 2100 block of East 41st Street, where he lives with his mother, when the officers arrived. Ross said he originally thought people were in the house fighting.

Ross said he had his 9mm handgun with him and took it out, but quickly holstered it when he heard someone call out “police.”

Ross said he handed the weapon to an officer who entered the bathroom and was handcuffed as police began their search.

Experts question if tactic was necessary
The search has sparked debate over whether the show of force was necessary or violated civil liberties.

A search warrant given to Ross indicates officers were looking for a variety of electronic devices and clothes. It does not detail what led officers to the east-side home or its occupants; such information is regularly provided when warrants are filed in Polk County District Court.

Drake University law professor Mark Kende, who watched video of the incident, questioned whether a group of armed officers was necessary and “professional” for a simple credit card theft case. Bringing so many firearms into the house could have caused more danger unless officers believed the people inside would be combative, he said.

“As a matter of common sense, it’s really bad policy, even though we expect police officers to take extra precautions to protect themselves,“ Kende said. “To come in with that much firepower and in that particular way is just an invitation to a terrible, tragic accident, which fortunately didn’t occur in what appears to be a credit card case.”

Credit card fraud cases typically involve a detective or two knocking on the door, said police consultant and former Des Moines Police Chief William Moulder.

However, the number of officers involved in last week’s incident and a quick entry with a battering ram suggests Ankeny police believed the team was searching a dangerous home, he said.

“What I observed is a high-risk entry plan that’s usually associated with knowing there are armed and dangerous people on the inside,” Moulder said. “None of us know — outside of the Ankeny police — what information they had going in.”

Two arrested on unrelated warrants
Two of the people in the house, Richard Forstier Adair, 35, and Miranda Nikol Scigliano, 27, were arrested on unrelated warrants, Ross said.

Adair faces charges of narcotics possession with intent to deliver, while Scigliano was charged with a probation violation. The couple has lived at the house for about a month.

Ross said he and his mother took the couple in but did not know about the outstanding warrants.

As police entered the house, one officer tore out one of the security cameras Ross installed to monitor the property. He said they had cameras because he and his mother had trouble with car burglaries.

In the basement, Ross said, an officer tried to cover another camera with blankets.

He questioned why police didn’t want to be taped.

Covering or disabling cameras is standard procedure for officers executing a search warrant or raid to ensure people inside can’t monitor approaching officers, Moulder said.

Ross, who has a clean criminal record except for traffic violations, said that he feels lucky that he realized the commotion was coming from police officers and put down his gun before the door was opened.

He said he also gets nervous when he hears the doorbell ring or a knock now.

“Every time somebody knocks on the door, every time somebody’s here, I have to wonder, ‘Are they coming back?’” he said. “Have they found a reason they want to arrest me?”
post #520 of 6095
But citing the fact that one of the occupants in the house — Justin Ross — had applied and was approved for a gun permit is probably most disturbing of all. First, hardened criminals who are a threat to kill cops tend not to be the sort of people who bother with permits, or to register their firearms with the government. I don’t think that point needs more elaboration.
Second, Ross was not one of the suspects for whom the police were looking. It seems highly, highly unlikely that had the police knocked on the door, announced themselves and waited for someone to answer it, a law-abiding citizen like Justin Ross would be a threat to suddenly decide to kill some cops. But it’s much more likely that Justin Ross might feel the need to defend himself upon hearing unidentified parties break down two doors, followed by the sight of several armed men in his home. Indeed, that’s very nearly what happened.
Finally, think of the implications if this were the policy everywhere. It would mean that if you’re a gun owner, the police could cite that fact in and of itself as justification for them to violently tear down your door, rush your house with guns and point those guns at your family — even if their warrant is for a nonviolent crime, even if it’s for a white collar crime, even if you’ve dutifully registered your gun with the government. In fact, given that Ross’s permit is how the police knew he was armed in the first place, especially if you’ve dutifully registered your guns with the government. If I were a gun owner in Des Moines, I’d be asking some questions.

CORRECTION: The police cited Ross’ permit to carry a gun, not to own one. So the language in my post about him registering his gun with the government is technically incorrect. But the general point still stands. It was Ross’s decision to get a government-issue permit that the police say justified the raid.

So as a law abiding citizen (mostly) with a carry permit the police are justified in breaking down my door whenever they see fit? I trust whenever a police officer is to be arrested he or she is treated in the same manner.
post #521 of 6095
Oh, of course they won't be treated in the same manner, HB because they'll be too busy sticking it to firefighters administering first aid at the scene of an accident:

Firefighter Arrested for Parking Violation While He Was Aiding Injured Accident Victims

You can't make this shit up.
post #522 of 6095
Originally Posted by burningbright View Post

Oh, of course they won't be treated in the same manner, HB because they'll be too busy sticking it to firefighters administering first aid at the scene of an accident:

Firefighter Arrested for Parking Violation While He Was Aiding Injured Accident Victims

You can't make this shit up.

This could be an important new revenue stream for police. I see fire trucks and ambulances breaking traffic laws all the time--speeding, running red lights, failing to stay in their lane, etc. They even draw attention to themselves with loud sirens and flashing lights, so it should be easy to identify, stop, and murder arrest them.
post #523 of 6095
Don't forget the bonus of shooting the ubiquitous Dalmatian that accompanies the fire engine. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #524 of 6095
Here you go Harvey.
No Murder Charge for Man Who Shot Texas Deputy

A Central Texas man who shot and killed a sheriff's deputy entering his home will not be charged with capital murder, attorneys said Thursday.

A local grand jury declined Wednesday to indict Henry Goedrich Magee for the Dec. 19 death of Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, who was part of a group of investigators executing a search warrant for Magee's rural home.

Sowders and other officers entered the home about 90 miles northwest of Houston without knocking just before 6 a.m. Authorities were looking for guns and marijuana.

Magee's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, said his client thought he was being burglarized, reached for a gun and opened fire.

DeGuerin has acknowledged his client had a small number of marijuana plants and seedlings, as well as guns he owned legally. The grand jury did indict Magee for possession of marijuana while in possession of a deadly weapon, a third-degree felony.

"This was a terrible tragedy that a deputy sheriff was killed, but Hank Magee believed that he and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed," DeGuerin said in an interview Thursday.

"He did what a lot of people would have done," DeGuerin added. "He defended himself and his girlfriend and his home."

The longtime defense attorney said he could not immediately remember another example of a Texas grand jury declining to indict a defendant in the death of a law enforcement officer.

Julie Renken, the district attorney for Burleson County, said in a statement Thursday she thought the sheriff's office acted correctly during events that "occurred in a matter of seconds amongst chaos."

"I believe the evidence also shows that an announcement was made," Renken said. "However, there is not enough evidence that Mr. Magee knew that day that Peace Officers were entering his home."

Magee is still in custody in neighboring Washington County, but should be soon released on bond since he only faces a marijuana possession charge, DeGuerin said.

Renken said her office would "fully prosecute" that case.

The 31-year-old Sowders was a native of Somerville who had recently been promoted to a sergeant-investigator position.

post #525 of 6095
He will meet an unfortunate accident that is terminal within a year.
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