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post #4921 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

"makes some sense" = agrees with me?

Why of course, do you disagree with Minister Quanell about complying now and complaining later?

Would you be upset with Quanell, if he said that idea could have saved many black lives?

I know Quanell a little and next time I see him, I will ask him about this. I met him long ago, when I was selling new houses and he came in as a customer. In a non - political, one on one setting he was nice guy that was easy to deal with, though he ultimately did not buy anything.

PS:Remember, I'm not against reviewing and changing the laws. Right now the laws are stacked in the cops favor, and I think we should follow the law. If it's changed, I would follow the new laws.

I have a problem with those that want to skip the step of modifying the law. There is nothing wrong with the police being as accountable as the citizens. AAMOF it's a just and good idea.
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post #4923 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I thought the autistic fast dude was el Hispanico. Rinaldo isn't your typical WASP name

Rhonld is about as far from WASP as you could get and still have the same skin tones.
post #4924 of 6095

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/index.html

 

Police Union claims they were aiming for the autistic man, and accidentally shot the black therapist.

 

Can anyone explain why then, they handcuffed and arrested the therapist after he was shot? If he wasn't the threat ( "The movement of the white individual made it look like he was going to discharge a firearm into Mr. Kinsey and the officer discharged trying to strike and stop the white man and unfortunately, he missed the white male and shot Mr. Kinsey by accident.") then there is no need to restrain and handcuff him at all. Waiting to call the ambulance is another strange part of the story.

post #4925 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/index.html

Police Union claims they were aiming for the autistic man, and accidentally shot the black therapist.

Can anyone explain why then, they handcuffed and arrested the therapist after he was shot? If he wasn't the threat ( "The movement of the white individual made it look like he was going to discharge a firearm into Mr. Kinsey and the officer discharged trying to strike and stop the white man and unfortunately, he missed the white male and shot Mr. Kinsey by accident.") then there is no need to restrain and handcuff him at all. Waiting to call the ambulance is another strange part of the story.


LOL. Good catch. This story gets more and more absurd by the day.
post #4926 of 6095
Another question. After they missed killing the autistic guy, why didn't they keep on shooting until he was hit?
post #4927 of 6095
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

Another question. After they missed killing the autistic guy, why didn't they keep on shooting until he was hit?

Did they even handcuff him? Or only the black guy they shot by "mistake"?
post #4928 of 6095
Serious question: don't police unions contribute substantially toward widespread distrust of and hostility toward cops? I get that their raison d'etre is to stick up for their members. Fine. But having a modicum of intellectual and general honesty, and acknowledging that there's such a thing as bad shooting or bad use of force would go a long way to showing they can be something other than lying whore apologists.

I occasionally hear interviews with the guy who heads up the police union here in LA. The guy is literally unwilling to say that any actual or hypothetical use of force by police officers could be improper.

Psychologically it just reinforces the notion that it's a binary analysis where you either have to believe all cops are perfect heroes or that they're all lying criminals.
post #4929 of 6095
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

Another question. After they missed killing the autistic guy, why didn't they keep on shooting until he was hit?

He stopped making VROOOM VROOOM sounds with his mouth and was no longer a threat?
post #4930 of 6095

beyond the unions i think you have to also look at police commissions, city councils, and the court system. 

 

i would think that the occasional purge of some bad actor would bolster the credibility of the system, but it really seems there is an "at-all-costs" approach to protecting the facade of righteousness. 

post #4931 of 6095
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Serious question: don't police unions contribute substantially toward widespread distrust of and hostility toward cops? I get that their raison d'etre is to stick up for their members. Fine. But having a modicum of intellectual and general honesty, and acknowledging that there's such a thing as bad shooting or bad use of force would go a long way to showing they can be something other than lying whore apologists.

I occasionally hear interviews with the guy who heads up the police union here in LA. The guy is literally unwilling to say that any actual or hypothetical use of force by police officers could be improper.

I read an article about that yesterday:
http://theweek.com/articles/635385/how-police-unions-actually-hurt-police-officers



Should it surprise anyone that the public is upset and frustrated with police when the cops (and their unions) get agitated at people for even asking questions? You see the extension of this with some of the responses to BLM. It basically boils down to "Shut up until you fix you own problems" and/or "Shut up because there are negative consequences to your asking questions."
post #4932 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/index.html

Police Union claims they were aiming for the autistic man, and accidentally shot the black therapist.

Can anyone explain why then, they handcuffed and arrested the therapist after he was shot? If he wasn't the threat ( "The movement of the white individual made it look like he was going to discharge a firearm into Mr. Kinsey and the officer discharged trying to strike and stop the white man and unfortunately, he missed the white male and shot Mr. Kinsey by accident.") then there is no need to restrain and handcuff him at all. Waiting to call the ambulance is another strange part of the story.

Did you miss the fact he was black? Black men that have been shot are known to be dangerous.
post #4933 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Did you miss the fact he was black? Black men that have been shot are known to be dangerous.

Plus they tend to bleed all over the place
post #4934 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Plus they tend to bleed all over the place

That's just a reason to shoot them again. No heart beat = less mess
post #4935 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Did you miss the fact he was black? Black men that have been shot are known to be dangerous.

Good point. They may have black rage after being shot and are unpredictable. Handcuffing him was the prudent thing to do. It's right there in the manual.
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