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post #4636 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post


Then that might be a really bad sign

Or it might reflect reality.

At the end of the day either we find the data meaningful or not. I am sure that where this facilitates confirmation bias it will be accepted and where it creates cognitive dissonance it will be rejected.
post #4637 of 6095
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Or it might reflect reality.

At the end of the day either we find the data meaningful or not. I am sure that where this facilitates confirmation bias it will be accepted and where it creates cognitive dissonance it will be rejected.

Of course it might - I just want to see if there would be another way to verify the data that doesn't come from of of the parties that are involved
post #4638 of 6095
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Of course it might - I just want to see if there would be another way to verify the data that doesn't come from of of the parties that are involved

I always figure if the data shows the parties involved in a bad light it's highly unlikely to have been overly tampered with. Who would tamper with data that creates a negative picture of one's self?
post #4639 of 6095
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I always figure if the data shows the parties involved in a bad light it's highly unlikely to have been overly tampered with. Who would tamper with data that creates a negative picture of one's self?

 

Maybe the data was worse!

post #4640 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article88000527.html
Look at these brave officers executing a person laying on the ground unarmed.

Even if he was making "threatening motions" with his hands, he had already been shot twice and seemingly incapacitated, it would have been child's play to take him into custody at that point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/14/trigger-happy-or-well-trained-police-in-fresno-calif-release-video-of-dylan-noble-shooting/?tid=sm_fb

Full video from multiple cops' body cams.

I don't even believe the initial shots were warranted, a clearly suicidal man (him stating, "I fucking hate my life") with no visible weapon despite hiding his hands seems the perfect time to use a taser. He didn't pull his hands out quickly or make any threatening motions beyond approaching the officers at a slow pace.

But they definitely executed him once he was on the ground. There's no conceivable reason they couldn't safely apprehend him once he was on the ground. He was entirely incapacitated and could no longer pose a real threat at that point. Those follow up shots were murder.
post #4641 of 6095
For someone who was "entirely incapacitated" he didn't seem to have trouble reaching for his waistband. This idea that being shot or stabbed or what have you is instantly incapacitating comes from Hollywood.

From watching the video (and knowing after the fact that he wasn't armed), it does look like a pretty clear case of suicide by cop. But he did what he needed to do to make it happen.
post #4642 of 6095
Are you saying 2 officers couldn't apprehend a man laid out flat on the ground and making weak gestures with his hands? Is the barrier so low for police that perhaps the tiniest amount of exertion is worth killing a man over?
post #4643 of 6095

If you move too quickly - you get shot.

 

You move too slowly - you aren't being compliant.

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Are you saying 2 officers couldn't apprehend a man laid out flat on the ground and making weak gestures with his hands? Is the barrier so low for police that perhaps the tiniest amount of exertion is worth killing a man over?

It's possible. They aren't very bright or athletic. Can't expect much.
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If you move too quickly - you get shot.

 

You move too slowly - you aren't being compliant.

 

And if you get shot and while lying on the ground you move due to the pain of having a couple bullet holes in you then you are being threatening and deserve to get shot again

post #4646 of 6095
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And if you get shot and while lying on the ground you move due to the pain of having a couple bullet holes in you then you are being threatening and deserve to get shot again


also -if you spasm or twitch because you were tased earlier - that counts as aggressive movement/non-compliance.

post #4647 of 6095
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It's possible. They aren't very bright or athletic. Can't expect much.

I was on the Champs Elysees when France beat Germany a week or so ago. The French riot gear cops were out in full force that night to make sure shit didn't go down. One thing I noticed was how in shape all of the cops looked. There weren't any overweight fatasses having a heart attack geared up.
post #4648 of 6095
Just finally watched the video of Noble getting murdered. Fuck those cops.
post #4649 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Fuck those cops.

Greenfrog, we need you.
post #4650 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post


I was on the Champs Elysees when France beat Germany a week or so ago. The French riot gear cops were out in full force that night to make sure shit didn't go down. One thing I noticed was how in shape all of the cops looked. There weren't any overweight fatasses having a heart attack geared up.


+1 i remember Piob posting up i think a pride thing in some far northern city and the first thing i thought was wow these canadian cops are fit.

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