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post #4621 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


So basically the study is pure bullshit?


I wouldn't say that. I would just like to see if there is any way to verify the data/or see if there are any records from a different PoV (obviously this may well be impossible). Having a single source of data that comes from one side of the argument is prone to biases, that is all.

post #4622 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post


I wouldn't say that. I would just like to see if there is any way to verify the data/or see if there are any records from a different PoV (obviously this may well be impossible). Having a single source of data that comes from one side of the argument is prone to biases, that is all.

What exactly do you think might be wrong with the data? Also, it was from more than one source, in fact I think 10 sources.
post #4623 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Also, the "they were stopped for a broken tail light story" is discredited. He was stopped because he match a BOLO description of an armed robber ( and this is verified by a police tape ).

But none of this matters because it doesn't fit the narrative of those that want blood.

Did you see where on the same Megyn Kelly show tonight, 7 - 13, D L Hughley, the eminent actor and CNN guest, said that " it was the cop's duty to ask Castile if he had a permit ( when the cop saw the gun )". Hughley, of course, blamed the whole thing on the monstrous "systemic racism" that rears it's ugly head everywhere and in everything.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Next, don't be surprised if there are some "inconsistencies" in the "he had a valid CCW" narrative.

I was watching her show tonight. I've seen DL on Bill Maher before but I never knew he was that far off the charts. Not accepting the Michael Brown story puts him in a class with Sharpton.

So the girlfriend says the officer was not made aware of the gun but also claims the gun never came out at any point. The officer was screaming "I told him not to reach for it." Those three things don't add up. If the officer was never aware of the gun, either from being informed or from it being pulled on him, why did he shoot?

I guess we could assume he shot and killed Castile because he reached for his wallet and nothing more. That's certainly possible, but it's far less likely than her original story - which was that the officer knew there was a gun and panicked when Castile reached for his wallet.
Edited by suited - 7/13/16 at 7:31pm
post #4624 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

The girlfriend who filmed the aftermath of the shooting in Minnesota is changing some of her story. Now she's saying the officer was not told that Castile had a gun on his person, among a couple other inconsistencies. Misremembering might be common under stress, but that's sort of big part of her story.
I obviously have a different perspective than suited on many of the general perspectives involved, but assuming this is accurate (I assume it is), I'd agree that's a significant change in the story of this particular incident (at least given by fairly superficial understanding of the original story).
post #4625 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


What exactly do you think might be wrong with the data?


That police reports often underreport use of force, or over emphasize the aggressiveness of the person being arrested (perp went for his gun/perp was resisting/etc). I am not arguing anything race related - I am merely saying police reports are biased to make the police look better and their actions more reasonable- I don't think you'll disagree?

post #4626 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post


That police reports often underreport use of force, or over emphasize the aggressiveness of the person being arrested (perp went for his gun/perp was resisting/etc). I am not arguing anything race related - I am merely saying police reports are biased to make the police look better and their actions more reasonable- I don't think you'll disagree?

But this data paints a rather scathing picture of police.
post #4627 of 6095

WaPo catching on:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.ddb565d879d4
 

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In response to these statistics, critics of police reform — often political conservatives and police unions — typically argue that the reason more black men and women are shot and killed by police is that black Americans commit more violent crime.

 

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Despite these arguments, police reform advocates and researchers as well at The Post’s own analysis has consistently concluded that there is no correlation between violent crime and who is killed by police officers.

 

A 2015 study by a University of California at Davis researcher concluded there was “no relationship” between crime rates by race and racial bias in police killings. A report released last week by the Center for Policing Equity, which reviewed arrest and use-of-force data from 12 police departments, concluded that black residents were more often targeted for use of police force than white residents, even when adjusting for whether the person was a violent criminal.

 

 

I glanced through the UC Davis study and the tables are awkward AF to read.

 

 

 
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Table 1. Predictors of an increased county-level risk of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} relative to being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}.

Values are: posterior mean (posterior standard deviation) of the regression coefficients. The symbol log referes to the natural logarithm. Pop refers to absolute population size. Pct. B. refers to the percentage of the county population that is black. Md. In. refers to median income. Gini refers to the Gini index of inequality. GRP refers to the Google search racism proxy. W. Ast and B. Ast refer to the white- and black-specific arrest rates for assualt, respectively. W. Wps and B. Wps refer to the white- and black-specific arrest rates for weapons violations, respectively. Posterior probabilty that a postive regression coeffcient is less than zero (or a negative one greater than zero) is coded as: * indicates a probability between 0.10 and 0.05, ** indicates a probability between 0.05 and 0.01, and *** indicates a probability of 0.01 or less.

post #4628 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


But this data paints a rather scathing picture of police.


Then that might be a really bad sign

post #4629 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Also, the "they were stopped for a broken tail light story" is discredited. He was stopped because he match a BOLO description of an armed robber ( and this is verified by a police tape ).

He had a "wide nose" = fits the description of an armed robber? Have you ever seen a black person? No matter the country of origin or skin tone, 99 out of 100 have wide noses.
post #4630 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

He had a "wide nose" = fits the description of an armed robber? Have you ever seen a black person? No matter the country of origin or skin tone, 99 out of 100 have wide noses.
Sorta depends on how you classify the King of Pop. And should probably spend some time perusing the African American Women thread in the interest of science.
post #4631 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Sorta depends on how you classify the King of Pop.


*cough*

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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

And should probably spend some time perusing the African American Women thread in the interest of science.

Lol
post #4632 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

He had a "wide nose" = fits the description of an armed robber? Have you ever seen a black person? No matter the country of origin or skin tone, 99 out of 100 have wide noses.

There was more to the BOLO ID stop than the unfortunate wide nose remark. At least multiple reports say that.

I'm tired right now of this case anyway.

I'll repeat that I feel there should be a full unbiased investigation of what happened.

When it's over I believe we should all accept the results. Charges or no charges, I will accept the results.

But somehow I sense that many will not accept the results, especially if no charges are brought.

BTW: There are now reports that Castile's family has provided a cop of a CCW letter.
post #4633 of 6095

With source data.

 

 

 

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/2015/

post #4634 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

There was more to the BOLO ID stop than the unfortunate wide nose remark. At least multiple reports say that.

I'm tired right now of this case anyway.

I'll repeat that I feel there should be a full unbiased investigation of what happened.

When it's over I believe we should all accept the results. Charges or no charges, I will accept the results.

But somehow I sense that many will not accept the results, especially if no charges are brought.

BTW: There are now reports that Castile's family has provided a cop of a CCW letter.

"Suspect is a black man, fair to dark complexion and height between 5'1" & 6'5"...and a wide nose"
post #4635 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

"Suspect is a black man, fair to dark complexion and height between 5'1" & 6'5"...and a wide nose"

What is your source ( link for this description )? If this description is the only reason Yanez made a BOLO stop, I agree it's very shaky.

If Yanez saw this circulated BOLO picture of the suspect ( below on the right ), I think then there is enough resemblance to make him (Yanez) suspicious,



https://regated.com/2016/07/exclusive-philando-castile-armed-robbery-suspect/

And here is a link containing Yanez's call to dispatch about his stop. It doesn't indicate if he is basing his reason to stop Castile solely on the description you cite, or if he had seen the above photo of the robbery suspect.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/07/11/philando-castile-falcon-heights-shooting-police-scanner-traffic-stop/

Reasonable minds may disagree. If you think the picture looks nothing like Philando, and the stop was totally unwarranted, that's your reasoned opinion. As I keep repeating, the investigators will surely consider things like this, and incorporate it into their findings.
Edited by rnoldh - 7/13/16 at 10:33pm
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