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Understanding that  most of these incidents occur in adrenaline soaked bursts of confusion , you also realize that any coincidental consequences become secondary very quickly . If you basically hold a bias it will certainly guide your perception that the individual presents a danger

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

this

So do you reject some or all of the findings? If just some which findings?
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Every time I sing the Canadian national anthem I add the lines, "You look like a monkey, and smell like one, too."

MONKEY IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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^ exactly
I think you answered this question when you read the article.

I haven't read the article in its entirety but two other points worth noting, namely that it is not published and that the data regarding non-lethal use of force is self-reported by police officers
- "NBER working papers are circulated for discussion and comment purposes. They have not been peer-reviewed or been subject to the review by the NBER Board of Directors that accompanies official NBER publications"
- "The key limitation of the data is they only capture the police side of the story. There have been several high-profile cases of police storytelling that is not congruent with video evidence of the interaction."

 

Based on the high profile cases I have seen, the video evidence works for both whites and non-whites pretty equally.  I don't have any statistics on it, so it could just be a cognitive bias.

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So do you reject some or all of the findings? If just some which findings?

I don't reject the findings as much as the data the findings are based on. I think, over the last hundred pages plus, that we have realized that police reports can be a bit biased, and data based on such may not be reliable.
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Fryer's paper was a good piece of research, but it's hardly the first to touch on race and the criminal justice system. Here is a pretty thorough overview of the research by a smart and fair guy:

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

His conclusion from reading a few dozen papers:
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There seems to be a strong racial bias in capital punishment and a moderate racial bias in sentence length and decision to jail.

There is ambiguity over the level of racial bias, depending on whose studies you want to believe and how strictly you define “racial bias”, in police stops, police shootings in certain jurisdictions, and arrests for minor drug offenses.

There seems to be little or no racial bias in arrests for serious violent crime, police shootings in most jurisdictions, prosecutions, or convictions.

Notice where the evidence skews toward finding bias, it's not at the hand of cops.

For anyone that's been involved in politics-- what is the likelihood that someone on the President's staff would be in command of that facts at this level of detail, and what is the likelihood they would try to bring this to his attention if they were? Trying to figure out of BO's actions have been more malice or ignorance.
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There seems to be a strong racial bias in capital punishment and a moderate racial bias in sentence length and decision to jail.

The claims about racial bias in capital punishment are all bunk. Whites are more likely to get the death penalty for murder than blacks. The only supposedly racist aspect of it is that killers of whites are far more likely to get the death penalty than killers of blacks -- but it's easily explained because blacks tend to reside (and die!) in jurisdictions with large black populations, and black juries don't like to give the death penalty to black defendants, who do the vast majority of the killing of black victims.

And that's assuming that the prosecutors seek the death penalty in the first place, which they usually don't because the people who elect them are opposed to it.
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Trying to figure out of BO's actions have been more malice or ignorance.

My, my, do you reject that his actions may be because of goodness and knowledge?
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I have a strong presumption against the goodness/knowledge pairing in national politics... So rarely do they overlap with the self-interest of the politician.
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I have a strong presumption against the goodness/knowledge pairing in national politics... So rarely do they overlap with the self-interest of the politician.

You probably don't read my posts which is OK. I was being sarcastic.

Answering your question, I would say it's 97.4% malice, and 2.6% ignorance.
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I don't reject the findings as much as the data the findings are based on. I think, over the last hundred pages plus, that we have realized that police reports can be a bit biased, and data based on such may not be reliable.

So basically the study is pure bullshit?
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The girlfriend who filmed the aftermath of the shooting in Minnesota is changing some of her story. Now she's saying the officer was not told that Castile had a gun on his person, among a couple other inconsistencies. Misremembering might be common under stress, but that's sort of big part of her story.
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The girlfriend who filmed the aftermath of the shooting in Minnesota is changing some of her story. Now she's saying the officer was not made aware of the gun, among a couple other inconsistencies.

Also, the "they were stopped for a broken tail light story" is discredited. He was stopped because he match a BOLO description of an armed robber ( and this is verified by a police tape ).

But none of this matters because it doesn't fit the narrative of those that want blood.

Did you see where on the same Megyn Kelly show tonight, 7 - 13, D L Hughley, the eminent actor and CNN guest, said that " it was the cop's duty to ask Castile if he had a permit ( when the cop saw the gun )". Hughley, of course, blamed the whole thing on the monstrous "systemic racism" that rears it's ugly head everywhere and in everything.

Next, don't be surprised if there are some "inconsistencies" in the "he had a valid CCW" narrative.
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