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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Perhaps the community should just get over it and let bygones be bygones.  How did Rudy put it?   "...you’ve got to teach your children to be respectful to the police, and you’ve got to teach your children that the real danger to them is not the police..."

I love Rudy and believe we should be respectful to everyone. But the police cannot demand respect. Respect is earned and very easily lost.
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Rudy is human garbage. And only a moron would call the police. There is no situation so fucked it can't be made worse by the presence of the police.
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Anyone hear the national anthem for the all star game yesterday - chorus  changed the canadian national anthem, added in two lines, ending in 'all lives matter' 

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Anyone hear the national anthem for the all star game yesterday - chorus  changed the canadian national anthem, added in two lines, ending in 'all lives matter' 

Well, changing the lyrics to the national anthem is all the rage these days in Canada.
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Really? Or joking

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Every time I sing the Canadian national anthem I add the lines, "You look like a monkey, and smell like one, too."
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Really? Or joking

LMGTFY: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/15/canada-national-anthem-lyrics-gender-neutral-parliament
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This idea that these protestors hate police because of Selma or Nat Turner or whatever is just ridiculous. They have little or no living memory of segregation or institutional racism (that's not discriminating in their favor, that is) and only a vague idea about such things happening in the past.

The real reason is that a quarter to a third of black men end up in prison (not jail, prison) at some point in their lives. It's hard to love the cops when, if you have a father and a brother, one of you has probably been to prison because of them.

If you were to extensively question each of the protestors I wonder what percentage would cite racism as the reason for all things in their life they perceive as shortcomings. That perception is a huge problem and it's not going away. Democrats aren't going to stop dividing people by race for political gain, they aren't going to stop telling people their problems are the fault of someone else, they aren't going to break the cycle of dependence and the media isn't going to stop assisting them. As long as those things keep happening the crime rate is unlikely to change, and if the crime rate doesn't change police are going to perceive one group differently than the next. If anyone is aware of a human or animal that doesn't innately engage in what we call 'profiling,' please point it out.

It's unlikely police reform will happen by telling departments they're racist and threatening them with federal scrutiny. Body cameras are a good and cases of blatant overreach should be made public for everyone to see. I don't care if it makes it harder for them to do their job. They signed up for a hard job and anytime the government oppresses someone we should know about it, especially if that oppression is violent.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

This idea that these protestors hate police because of Selma or Nat Turner or whatever is just ridiculous. They have little or no living memory of segregation or institutional racism (that's not discriminating in their favor, that is) and only a vague idea about such things happening in the past.

Yeah, those darkies should really stop relying on moronic, lazy generalizations to shape their views.
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Breitbart journalist goes to jail for a weekend after being arrested at a BLM protest: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/12/lee-stranahan-my-weekend-incarceration-in-a-baton-rouge-prison/

 

Interesting read.

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Well...'Turk has been right about racial bias and police shooting all along: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

NBER concludes blacks are way more likely to get roughed up by whites but shootings are about equal. Holy shit.

Btw, the researcher? Black economist at Harvard, youngest African American ever to receive tenure there.
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Well...'Turk has been right about racial bias and police shooting all along: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

NBER concludes blacks are way more likely to get roughed up by whites but shootings are about equal. Holy shit.

That's an interesting study.



Wouldn't it be funny if people with diametrically opposed views and baseline assumptions all seized on it and argued that it strongly supported their own perspectives?
Of course, I'm just being silly.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

That's an interesting study.



Wouldn't it be funny if people with diametrically opposed views and baseline assumptions all seized on it and argued that it strongly supported their own perspectives?
Of course, I'm just being silly.

The cognitive dissonance for many is going to be off the charts on this one.

Btw, the study goes so far as to say cops are materially faster to draw on whites vs. blacks. I'm actually flabbergasted.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Well...'Turk has been right about racial bias and police shooting all along: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

NBER concludes blacks are way more likely to get roughed up by whites but shootings are about equal. Holy shit.

Btw, the researcher? Black economist at Harvard, youngest African American ever to receive tenure there.

I guess you didn't read what I wrote about that earlier in the Dallas shooting thread (this discussion has now spanned at least 3 threads so I don't blame you) but:

"Other research has shown that blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police." Once stopped, things are even. But what about the rate of being stopped? So if we take x = rate of being stopped , and y = rate of shooting, and if y_white = y_black, but x_white < x_black , then x*y for blacks is higher than for whites. That means, while the risk of being shot might be the same, there will simply be a higher rate of blacks (by population) that get stopped and shot.

On top of that, "on non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police" (NYT), or as the author put it, "in the raw data, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force [pushed to wall, weapon drawn, pushed to ground ,gun pointed, pepper sprayed, grabbed, handcuffed, kicked, stun gunned or pepper sprayed]"

Important points brought up as limitations in the study. Sure, the rate of [non]fatal shooting might be the same, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem otherwise.
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