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post #4531 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What if you were killed when complying with an officer's lawful orders?

This would be a tragedy. Can you give an example of this?
post #4532 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

This would be a tragedy. Can you give an example of this?

A tragedy? Not a murder? Well that's pretty telling of your thought process.

Also, when we're discussing hypotheticals why must I give an actual case?
post #4533 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

A tragedy? Not a murder? Well that's pretty telling of your thought process.

Also, when we're discussing hypotheticals why must I give an actual case?

Are you saying these murders are not tragedies too? That's telling of your thought process.

And no you must not give actual cases. It would be very, very difficult after all to cite cases where the victim was complying fully with the police and was then murdered.

And to be clear, let's take color out of this. White victim cases can be cited too.

And, I'm not saying there are absolutely no cases like this. But that their number is incredibly small compared to cases where the victim was resisting.
post #4534 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Are you saying these murders are not tragedies too? That's telling of your thought process.

And no you must not give actual cases. It would be very, very difficult after all to cite cases where the victim was complying fully with the police and was then murdered.

And to be clear, let's take color out of this. White victim cases can be cited too.

And, I'm not saying there are absolutely no cases like this. But that their number is incredibly small compared to cases where the victim was resisting.

Btw, you do realize what I said to 'Turk was snark based on hundreds of posts by him, right? As in, not designed to be construed as a totally serious question?

Also, why would we need to consider colour? I never had that in mind in the first place, and again, very telling of your thought processes.
post #4535 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Btw, you do realize what I said to 'Turk was snark based on hundreds of posts by him, right? As in, not designed to be construed as a totally serious question?

Also, why would we need to consider colour? I never had that in mind in the first place, and again, very telling of your thought processes.

OK, you win, I'm going to a BLM rally to fight for Justice.
post #4536 of 6095
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/dna-canvassing-opp-1.3675416

Canadian police rounded up black immigrants and made them give DNA samples to prove their were innocent of a sex crime. Seriously, WTF?
post #4537 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/dna-canvassing-opp-1.3675416

Canadian police rounded up black immigrants and made them give DNA samples to prove their were innocent of a sex crime. Seriously, WTF?

 

It is Canada.  You guys have like 10 blacks, so being black is probably cause for a search/DNA sample.

post #4538 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/dna-canvassing-opp-1.3675416


Canadian police rounded up black immigrants and made them give DNA samples to prove their were innocent of a sex crime. Seriously, WTF?

It is Canada.  You guys have like 10 blacks, so being black is probably cause for a search/DNA sample.
That's true but maybe a lot of hosers identify as black
post #4539 of 6095

that's a bit racist

post #4540 of 6095
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Originally Posted by accordion View Post

that's a bit racist
What isn't anymore
post #4541 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

The five murdered officers in Dallas were unquestionably innocent. Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those other two guys did not deserve to be shot? As far as I know, new evidence has not been released and the investigations have just begun. The tapes look bad, but if experience tells us anything it's to wait for things to play out.
Did that straw man deserve to die? That has nirhing to o with what his post said.
post #4542 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I hesitate to say what due process is (penumbras and all), but that is nonsense. Due process means the process that is due under the circumstances. If, for example, you're killed while trying to shoot a cop, you got all the process you were due because of the exigencies of the situation.

Getting fatally shot definitely qualifies as an exigency from the perspective of the person being shot. But that's not really what "exigent circumstances" means.
post #4543 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Getting fatally shot definitely qualifies as an exigency from the perspective of the person being shot. But that's not really what "exigent circumstances" means.

Serious question, no snark here.

Can you tell us then if a criminal that is shot while trying to kill a cop, can receive due process?
post #4544 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Serious question, no snark here.

Can you tell us then if a criminal that is shot while trying to kill a cop, can receive due process?

Can they? Of course. In the sense we're using due process here (to mean, more or less, the rules that govern the state's exercise of its power over us) a police officer who shoots a criminal in self-defense is quite likely acting consistently with due process.
post #4545 of 6095

Seems that as long as the shooting is investigated and ruled on by the  governing authority due process is served ????

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