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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Can I get a link concerning this "greater percentage of white people" getting killed? Something that doesn't massage the situation, etc. just something that says a higher percentage of whites killed in similar situations get killed.

The WaPo data was linked to earlier. You do, admittedly, have to actually do the math yourself since they don't give percentages (don't support the narrative).
post #4322 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The WaPo data was linked to earlier. You do, admittedly, have to actually do the math yourself since they don't give percentages (those are off message).

So the best you've got is a DIY link to the WaPo?

Does it in any way attempt to categorize encounters? I mean, can we see "was shooting at police" or "standing there unarmed" type categories?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So the best you've got is a DIY link to the WaPo?

The total number is almost exactly 1000, which makes it pretty easy. If you call that DIY, then, yeah, sure. DIY.
post #4324 of 6095
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I think you're referring to Castile (the Minnesota shooting). Apparently he announced that he had a gun as he was reaching for his pocket. (And his girlfriend hastily added that he had a permit to carry.) That's a rather odd piece of information to volunteer if you intend to shoot the officer. But I'm sure some people will contend that he should have made the announcement while both hands were visible and before he reached for his ID.

Yeah - sorry, wrong black guy being killed by police

post #4325 of 6095
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Yeah - sorry, wrong black guy being killed by police

Racists like you and accordion think they all look alike.

Don't worry, JUST KIDDING

BTW: I can't link on this IPad but Google Dylan Noble. He is a white guy that was just killed by police in Fresno. Let's see how much outrage there is?
post #4326 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Does it in any way attempt to categorize encounters? I mean, can we see "was shooting at police" or "standing there unarmed" type categories?

Yes, but it isn't very good. For example, on the "mental illness" front, they have a spectacularly low threshold. The very first example I looked at -- "his family says he suffered from depression and bipoloar disorder." The second was labeled as possibly mentally ill because he made "suicidal statements" before provoking the cop into shooting him. Give me a break.
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And then when the inevitable "Do you know why I pulled you over?" is asked I always say "I have no idea"
"Because you're an asshole?"
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

On a 'good' weekend in Chicago more black people are killed in gang violence than in unjustified police killings in a whole year.

Can we really not hold our police to a higher standard than gangbangers? While there are always going to be innocent bystanders picked off in the gang violence, I don't really see how the stats on a bunch of gang members (some of whom literally have the "job" of being muscle/enforcers) actively fighting over territory and status are really relevant when compared to police officers whose jobs are definitely *not* to kill people.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Can I get a link concerning this "greater percentage of white people" getting killed? Something that doesn't massage the situation, etc. just something that says a higher percentage of whites killed in similar situations get killed.

How about a link covering the number of white people shot during routine stops compared to black people.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


So the best you've got is a DIY link to the WaPo?

Does it in any way attempt to categorize encounters? I mean, can we see "was shooting at police" or "standing there unarmed" type categories?

 

No, but each case is linked. And there's no official data period so this is the best available. The numbers are so disproportionate that there's no way to spin them unless one argues for a massive conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


Racists like you and accordion think they all look alike.

Don't worry, JUST KIDDING

BTW: I can't link on this IPad but Google Dylan Noble. He is a white guy that was just killed by police in Fresno. Let's see how much outrage there is?

 

None from the media, and there was cell phone footage too.

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Is that white straw or black straw?
post #4332 of 6095
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Can we really not hold our police to a higher standard than gangbangers? While there are always going to be innocent bystanders picked off in the gang violence, I don't really see how the stats on a bunch of gang members (some of whom literally have the "job" of being muscle/enforcers) actively fighting over territory and status are really relevant when compared to police officers whose jobs are definitely *not* to kill people.

I think we already do. Plus I mentioned it because the perspective is important when certain groups of people are prioritizing police killings over other much more common cause of death in black communities. And when there are voices that this is state sanctioned/systemic murder of black people it is imo useful to point out that examples of unjustified shooting(like this recent one) are very very rare.
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I'm not sure that arguments about data and statistics offer much here. Statistics don't really tell us what happened in any of those cases. 

 

The fact is that we should be outraged every single time police officers kill anyone unnecessarily - and the gap between was it is legally allowed and what is necessary seems to keep growing.  In a free society, police should kill only as a last resort to keep people safe. Having watched both videos of yesterday's shootings, it is very hard to see how any reasonable person could think lethal force was really necessary. In the Baton Rouge case, multiple officers had the man pinned and overpowered. The in MI case, there's no evidence the man made posed any threat beyond declaring himself armed.

 

What the NC case shows is that it's possible for police to subdue and apprehend armed suspects without the use of lethal force. Maybe not in every scenario, but sometimes. And that means that a suspect having a weapon cannot be enough of a reason to use lethal force. There MUST be more. 

 

Is it a coincidence that the two dead men are black and the man who was subdued without lethal force is white? Maybe. But probably not. 

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My only points are that the media covers a disproportionate number of black shootings than of other races. And going by the individual cases linked in the WaPo data, it seems that quiet a lot of non-blacks are being murdered unjustly, more so than blacks. Mixing a systemic, bureaucratic issue with race is a great way to make sure it stays unaddressed. If the people with bleeding hearts and a twitter political feed can look at the data it'd be better for everyone who believe the police need reform.


Edited by accordion - 7/8/16 at 6:17pm
post #4335 of 6095
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post


Is it a coincidence that the two dead men are black and the man who was subdued without lethal force is white? Maybe. But probably not. 

The two most unjust cases of cops killing Black men are probably that of Akai Gurley ( shot by "accident" by NYPD Officer Peter Liang ), and that of Philandro Castile ( shot "by panic mistake" I guess ) by an Asian cop.

Coincidence that the killers were both Asian? Maybe, but I think not! There is war on Black males by Asian Police!

To those on here, that don't get my sense of humor, I'm kidding, but,

The point is that if there is "a war on Black males" by the Police, it is by all Officers. Including White Officers, Black Officers, Hispanic Officers, Asian Officers and others. To say there is a systemic bias against Black men by White Officers is BS. To say there is a systemic bias by Police against Black men is a distinct possibility.

Who can say with a straight face that a Black officer has never made a mistake like Officer Peter Liang, or panicked like the Asian Officer that killed Philandro Castile.
Edited by rnoldh - 7/7/16 at 5:18pm
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