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post #4186 of 6091
Density creates tightly contested territory for gangs. Tempers flare and if you need to go somewhere, there's no way to avoid crossing other people's territory.

The meth dealers in West Virginia won't ever see each other unless they drive to each other's house to say hi.
post #4187 of 6091
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We don't have many poor white communities with similar urban densities to those cities.

Mostly because we don't have decades of racist housing policy that created dense, poor, white communities.

If you go back to when we had immigrant shanty towns filled with poor white immigrants...then yes...there were poor white communities with awful crime rates.

I've not done any Google-fu on this but are not Hispanics mainly "white?" If so we have lots of poor white communities with high urban density.
post #4188 of 6091
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We got a little off subject.
My opinion? Generational dependence on government, out-of-wedlock birthrate over 70%, high school drop out rate, lack of cultural role models in their community, decades of relentless propaganda that convinces parts of their community that nothing is their fault.


How many poor white communities have murder rates similar to that of Chicago, Detroit or Baltimore?
See above. Making excuses is partly responsible for people refusing to take responsibility for their communities.


Again though, you are pointing to issues as if they were pure causal elements, and failing to see that they are themselves effects resulting from other causes. For what it's worth I think your points about "dependence on government" and "lack of role models" are simply untrue, but that's neither here nor there. The high school drop out rate is disproportionately high, but why is that the case?  

Why are so many more black children raised by single mothers?

post #4189 of 6091
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I've not done any Google-fu on this but are not Hispanics mainly "white?" If so we have lots of poor white communities with high urban density.


Generally we distinguish between non-hispanic white and hispanic when talking about racial demographics in America, but your point is correct. The most violence in the US occurs in dense, urban, poor, and undereducated communities. 

post #4190 of 6091
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As if "urban density" forced people to murder each other.

If you force people to live in horrible areas, if you offer them substandard education, housing with nothe much chance to escape, if the police are given free reign to terrorize that populace and they are treated as second class citizens by local, state and federal government as well as the judicial system for generations dating back over 150 years, do you really expect those people to hug each other and sing kumbaya every night?
post #4191 of 6091

Going back to the original point, if blacks are more likely to be suspected or arrested relative to the general demographic, assuming 2x, probably more, and they are 2x more likely to be killed by the police, it would seem that police killings are not disproportionately black, and that it's not as much of an race issue as people believe. I don't know if non-blacks are killed in more justified ways but there certainly seems to be more outrage over black killings.

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I've not done any Google-fu on this but are not Hispanics mainly "white?" If so we have lots of poor white communities with high urban density.

Well, if you come to chicago, you'll see that they kill each other too...so then yes, poor white communities are doing it.

But your typical racist is probably not going to accept hispanics as "white"
post #4193 of 6091
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Well, if you come to chicago, you'll see that they kill each other too...so then yes, poor white communities are doing it.

But your typical racist is probably not going to accept hispanics as "white"

Well, I don't accept "white" as meaningful so I'll cancel out at least one racist.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-minnesota-police-shooting-20160706-story.html

what am i missing, here... why does the steering wheel look like it's on the wrong side... because Brexit?

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-minnesota-police-shooting-20160706-story.html

what am i missing, here... why does the steering wheel look like it's on the wrong side... because Brexit?

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Some new phones have a feature where selfies get flipped like you are looking in a mirror. It's really disorienting.

post #4196 of 6091
That cop knows he fucked up. His voice is failing him.

A lot of phones flip video on the front facing camera to make it feel more like a mirror.
post #4197 of 6091
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Well, if you come to chicago, you'll see that they kill each other too...so then yes, poor white communities are doing it.

But your typical racist is probably not going to accept hispanics as "white"

Why would they? Most hispanics who call themselves white are actually mixed race. And their murder rates are far lower than blacks', anyway.
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If you force people to live in horrible areas, if you offer them substandard education, housing with nothe much chance to escape, if the police are given free reign to terrorize that populace and they are treated as second class citizens by local, state and federal government as well as the judicial system for generations dating back over 150 years, do you really expect those people to hug each other and sing kumbaya every night?

This is a preposterous collection of stereotypes and excuses. The people who are shooting each other in the streets of Chicago were largely born in the mid-1990s, never experienced material poverty as traditionally defined, nor government sponsored racism, nor hardly any of it from private actors, and were educated in schools with two to three times the resources per student compared to rural schools.
post #4198 of 6091
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Well, if you come to chicago, you'll see that they kill each other too...so then yes, poor white communities are doing it.

I don't think it's proportional...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-charting-chicagos-summer-homicides-shootings-infographic-20150904-htmlstory.html
http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/1714000#flag-js-X
post #4199 of 6091
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I've not done any Google-fu on this but are not Hispanics mainly "white?" If so we have lots of poor white communities with high urban density.

This topic would be so much easier to discuss if we could reclaim the terminology of the colonial spanish caste system.

post #4200 of 6091
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


This is a preposterous collection of stereotypes and excuses. The people who are shooting each other in the streets of Chicago were largely born in the mid-1990s, never experienced material poverty as traditionally defined, nor government sponsored racism, nor hardly any of it from private actors, and were educated in schools with two to three times the resources per student compared to rural schools.

 

Okay so, what do you think is the cause here? Why are urban, black communities more violent than other communities? If you write off all circumstantial issues as excuses, you are left with no explanation other than some variation of "black people are violent and bad." Are you comfortable with that? 

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