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post #4036 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Don't think so. The SCOTUS has ruled that fleeing is not a de facto PC, and with no PC, there's no Terry stop. Now, being a high crime area, yeah, fleeing is PC but that's really pretty discriminatory and is going to have disparate impact on blacks since so many of them live in high crime areas.

Basically, I think there should be one law for everyone no matter where they are.

So you concede that I accurately described the law, but you just disagree with it? Well, okay. If Trump appoints you to the supreme court you might have enough votes to change it.
post #4037 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

So you concede that I accurately described the law, but you just disagree with it? Well, okay. If Trump appoints you to the supreme court you might have enough votes to change it.

I see the logic in the law but logic doesn't necessarily mean it's fair. If Trump appoints me that would be JUGE!
post #4038 of 6095
I've followed this thread for some time without jumping in but I have to ask - Ataturk, as someone who follows this sort of thing closely, can you name one instance where you feel the police abused their power? There has to be at least one instance.
post #4039 of 6095
High crime area = where the poor folks live. Are there more crimes there? Sure. But it's not an area of suspicion because of the high crime. It's an area of suspicion because of the poor folks.

It's like describing Venezuela as a low toilet-paper area. Is there less toilet paper there? Sure, but it's not an area of failed economic policies because of the lack of toilet paper. It's an area of failed economic policies because it's a third-world socialist hell hole.
post #4040 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

High crime area = where the poor folks Negroes live. Are there more crimes there? Sure. But it's not an area of suspicion because of the high crime. It's an area of suspicion because of the poor folks Negroes.


Fixed that for you.
post #4041 of 6095
No, Hispanics and poor white trash live in those places too.
post #4042 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

No, Hispanics and poor white trash live in those places too.

Sure, but poor Hispanic areas and poor white trash areas have much less crime than poor negro areas.

There are no Hispanic or white trash areas that are equal in crime to the poor negro areas of Baltimore Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, Oakland, etc, etc
post #4043 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Sure, but poor Hispanic areas and poor white trash areas have much less crime than poor negro areas.

There are no Hispanic or white trash areas that are equal to the poor negro areas of Baltimore Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, Oakland, etc, etc

Yes. That was my whole point. They target the poor. Race is irrelevant.

Don't misunderstand, I hate the poor. But they should be ignored to fight and kill amongst themselves. I don't want to spend money trying to make their lands safer.
post #4044 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


There are no Hispanic or white trash areas that are equal to the poor negro areas of Baltimore Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, Oakland, etc, etc

You need to visit the barrios

post #4045 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Yes. That was my whole point.

Gotcha, and I certainly agree.

And when the areas are separated and segregated, the differences are even more pronounced.

Appalachia is almost 100% poor white trash, and is relatively low crime.

Likewise, there are dirt poor 100% Hispanic areas all over that are relatively low crime.

Conversely, I don't know of one 100% poor Black area that is not high crime.

Facts, reality and statistics can be very racist.
post #4046 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Gotcha, and I certainly agree.

And when the areas are separated and segregated, the differences are even more pronounced.

Appalachia is almost 100% poor white trash, and is relatively low crime.

Likewise, there are dirt poor 100% Hispanic areas all over that are relatively low crime.

Conversely, I don't know of one 100% poor Black area that is not high crime.

Facts, reality and statistics can be very racist.


Appalachia is 100% crime. Everyone who lives there is either scamming SSDI or brewing moonshine or making meth. Not a single one of them files taxes. They are all criminals. Every single one of them.
post #4047 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Appalachia is 100% crime. Everyone who lives there is either scamming SSDI or brewing moonshine or making meth. Not a single one of them files taxes. They are all criminals. Every single one of them.

I was talking about violent ghetto crime. You are probably right about the welfare fraud, meth and moonshine
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There's a great deal of drug use, welfare fraud, and the like, but the overall crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two thirds the national average, and the rate of violent crime is half the national average

http://theweek.com/articles/452321/appalachia-big-white-ghetto
post #4048 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post


Yes. That was my whole point. They target the poor. Race is irrelevant.

Don't misunderstand, I hate the poor. But they should be ignored to fight and kill amongst themselves. I don't want to spend money trying to make their lands safer.

 

Why can't we just re-appropriate their lands and make everyone richer?

post #4049 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Likewise, there are dirt poor 100% Hispanic areas all over that are relatively low crime.

 

Where is this magical wetback land?
Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 5/22/16 at 11:42am
post #4050 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

I was talking about violent ghetto crime. You are probably right about the welfare fraud, meth and moonshine
http://theweek.com/articles/452321/appalachia-big-white-ghetto

It mostly comes down to density. Low density lowers crime rates pretty much universally. But like harvey said, there's an absolute epidemic of meth, moonshine, welfare fraud, etc, out in the white trash rural parts of the country. We just don't spend that much time policing it, probably because they're not shooting each other (just themselves).

Crime rates are a weird thing though, because it turns into a self-reinforcing cycle. You lock up a generation of young people on drug crimes, and you pretty much guarantee that they're going to go back out on the streets and commit more crime once they get out. WTF else are they going to do, nobody hires criminals and the job situations sucks for any poor neighborhood (white, black, or otherwise). If we put the energy into "fighting crime" (incarcerating people for drugs) into the rest of the country that we put into black neighborhoods, we could thoroughly fuck them up for a generation too.
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