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post #3841 of 6095
Anecdotally...it is being blamed on the weather.

People shoot each other when they are out and about. They don't go out and about much when the winter is really cold.

The last two winters were blindingly cold and murder rates were low. This past winter has been extremely warm, and a bunch more people have been shot.

We'll see how things go in the summer when shootings normally increase...the national media seems to love to shit on Chicago either because it is a bunch of black people killing each other (when the rest of the country is saying black lives matter) or because obama comes from here...but the statistics don't back up their claims. Chicago is nowhere near the top of the list for large cities for either murders or violent crime.
post #3842 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

And there's no effect in the other 25 of the 30 largest US cities (for 2015).

And those just happen to almost all be cities with major incidents and protests? Give me a break.

You know, or at least you ought to know, that it's impossible to actually prove one way or another what caused 800 people to go out and shoot someone in Chicago over the last three months.
post #3843 of 6095
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And those just happen to almost all be cities with major incidents and protests? Give me a break.

Those cities didn't randomly decide to be pissed off enough to have major protests. It would seem likely that the same root causes that led to widespread civil unrest would have something to do with the murder rate.
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You know, or at least you ought to know, that it's impossible to actually prove one way or another what caused 800 people to go out and shoot someone in Chicago over the last three months.

You didn't even provide an argument, much less proof. At best, changes in policing would be one factor among many. You can't draw meaningful conclusions from short term trends among a small number of data points (one year is bad, three months for Chicago is even worse). Something simple like "it was warmer" makes at least as much sense.


Still goes back to the root cause of "why do so many black people want to kill each other," and I doubt "because the police aren't as willing to whoop ass" is the cause there.
post #3844 of 6095
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

the national media seems to love to shit on Chicago either because it is a bunch of black people killing each other (when the rest of the country is saying black lives matter) or because obama comes from here...but the statistics don't back up their claims. Chicago is nowhere near the top of the list for large cities for either murders or violent crime.

Chicago is also less than a third black, compared to the top of the list -- Baltimore, St. Louis, New Orleans (all 2/3 or so), Detroit (80%+), etc.
post #3845 of 6095
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Chicago is also less than a third black, compared to the top of the list -- Baltimore, St. Louis, New Orleans (all 2/3 or so), Detroit (80%+), etc.


But Chicago is a very segregated city, and most of the violent crime comes from a very small portion of the city.

post #3846 of 6095
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I'm not surprised this happened in Albuquerque. The police there, as DOJ investigations have shown, are trigger happy maniacs.

NM was also part of the wild west with cowboys and Indians. Local police must still think it's the 1880's.
post #3847 of 6095
I've spent some time in NM. It does feel like the wild, wild West there still...except for Santa Fe and that feels like a post card.
post #3848 of 6095
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Cop shoots another cop. All over a $60 meth bust. Feel good news story of the day.

I'm not surprised this happened in Albuquerque. The police there, as DOJ investigations have shown, are trigger happy maniacs.

Can a cop deprive another cop of his civil rights?

Maybe the DOJ will investigate this case.

Just kidding, the DOJ is much morse concerned with important major investigations of martyrs like Trayvon, Mike Brown, Eric Garner, Freddie Gray and now Jamar Clark. These cases are wiser uses of the public's money.
post #3849 of 6095
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But Chicago is a very segregated city, and most of the violent crime comes from a very small portion of the city.

But it's the same "very small portion" of the city that's committing most of the murders in every city. How small that portion actually is tends to be the driver of homicide rates -- rates being the number of murders versus the number of people, including the other demographics that show less interest in murder.

Now there's a certain amount of variation between cities -- New York City being notable for its (relatively recent) low rates, while St. Louis has a very high rate. Purely eyeballing it, I'll grant that Chicago's murder rate isn't the highest when adjusted for demographics, but it's still pretty high up there. A googling hasn't produced any city-by-city data of black homicide victimization rates -- but the Brady campaign has a list of states:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/blackhomicide16.pdf

Illinois has the 15th-highest black homicide victimization rate. For comparison, Mississippi is the 13th safest state for blacks to live in (which is one of the lowest rates for any state with a significant black population).
post #3850 of 6095
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/04/01/video-shows-white-cops-performing-roadside-cavity-search-of-black-man/

Illegal stop ends in roadside probing of guys anus by two cops. Yes, two cops stick their fingers up this guys ass road side in a city setting. Article also contains many links to similar cases including some cops that decided digital vag searches were to be SOP roadside.

WTF?
post #3851 of 6095
The comments are great.

I wonder what the "lengthy criminal record" really was? Hope they win a huge law suit and the cops are all fired, at the least.

Turk, in your opinion is " I think I recognize you from my days investigating drug offenses" sufficient cause for a roadside cavity search?
post #3852 of 6095
I'm surprised he didn't get resisting arrest as his hemorrhoids were blocking a lawful search by an officer apparently.
post #3853 of 6095
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The comments are great.

I wonder what the "lengthy criminal record" really was? Hope they win a huge law suit and the cops are all fired, at the least.

Turk, in your opinion is " I think I recognize you from my days investigating drug offenses" sufficient cause for a roadside cavity search?

I also don't know how you [Piob] can say it's an "illegal stop" based on what's presented. It may not be "illegal" to drive without a tag, but that's not the relevant standard for whether a stop is legal -- cops can pull you over to investigate with only a "reasonable suspicion" a crime may have been committed. I don't know about paper tags in SC; in some states they have official temporary tags, in others, it's just something the dealer gives you as a courtesy to defray suspicion.

The video is heavily edited, so there's not really any point in watching it to decide if the search is legal. But is the suspect's known criminal history relevant to probable cause for a search, reasonable suspicion for a stop, etc? Absolutely.
post #3854 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I also don't know how you [Piob] can say it's an "illegal stop" based on what's presented. It may not be "illegal" to drive without a tag, but that's not the relevant standard for whether a stop is legal -- cops can pull you over to investigate with only a "reasonable suspicion" a crime may have been committed. I don't know about paper tags in SC; in some states they have official temporary tags, in others, it's just something the dealer gives you as a courtesy to defray suspicion.

The video is heavily edited, so there's not really any point in watching it to decide if the search is legal. But is the suspect's known criminal history relevant to probable cause for a search, reasonable suspicion for a stop, etc? Absolutely.

So you feel, that under the correct circumstances, it is legal to have two officers probe your asshole in a city street in full view of the world after a pat down and drug sniffing dog search of a car turn up nothing?

Seriously fucking amazing.
post #3855 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

You didn't even provide an argument, much less proof. At best, changes in policing would be one factor among many. You can't draw meaningful conclusions from short term trends among a small number of data points (one year is bad, three months for Chicago is even worse). Something simple like "it was warmer" makes at least as much sense.

I never claimed to have "proof," or even to present much of an argument. It'd be completely futile, and the only people who purport to have the means to scientifically study something like this (sociologists) are utterly untrustworthy because of the subjectiveness of their field and their political bias.
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Those cities didn't randomly decide to be pissed off enough to have major protests. It would seem likely that the same root causes that led to widespread civil unrest would have something to do with the murder rate.

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Still goes back to the root cause of "why do so many black people want to kill each other," and I doubt "because the police aren't as willing to whoop ass" is the cause there.

By and large, the reason is that they're getting drunk or high and fighting with each other in the streets over petty disputes while armed. It should be pretty intuitive to see how the police can suppress these sort of confrontations -- by their presence, by investigating people on the streets (and catching them carrying guns; so-called stop and frisk), etc.
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