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Ata never fails to defend pig fucks who murder people.
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It's technically legal, so there's not a problem.
post #3649 of 6095
Yeah, cause the prosecutor intentionally tanked the case.
post #3650 of 6095
Pretty good article about policing culture and tactics, especially the whole Get Home Safe at the end of your shift mentality.


Why do we just accept cop's perception of danger as the ultimate excuse for lethal force, especially when policing tactics create the imminent danger in the first place in many situations?

The same basic thing went down in the Dillon Taylor shooting in Utah. You could possibly believe the officers felt threatened, but the cops created the crisis situation in the first place. Rush the cruiser right up to the suspects, leap out screaming and pointing gun. And imagine, people react in strange ways under incredibly stressful sudden situations. If cops just backed the fuck off, there wouldn't be as many cases where immediate life and death decisions needed to be made in the first place. This isn't even about sending cops to jail, it's about not putting citizens in unnecessary danger in the first place.
post #3651 of 6095
One of the things I hate most about cops is the fucking obnoxious way they always park their cruiser. It's the equivalent of the skinny guy that needs to take up three times more space than needed when he walks through a crowd.
post #3652 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

But the cops didn't really "blaze" in. They came in from another street and drove across the park to where the gunman was reported to be. He wasn't there. They drove across the park, into that space between the gazebo and the car barrier, saw Rice, who matched the description of the gunman. What were they supposed to do at that point--keep driving?

But there never was a "gunman" to begin with, you nitwit.

In what fucked up world is killing a kid with a BB gun not a total and epic fuck up? Is there a scourge of kids running around blasting off at all and sundry? How many kids immediately pull and start firing at police? Even if there had been a gun, they could have stopped 50 feet away and told him to hit the ground. There were no gun shots, no visible weapon, no one in danger or injured, why exactly couldn't the cops wait for some clarity on the situation before shooting?
post #3653 of 6095
Because the cops have to get home at the end of their shift, period!
post #3654 of 6095
Even the original 911 call said "the gun is probably fake." The complaint was that he was drawing it from his waistband over and over again, not that he was actually posing any active threat.


The cops responded like it was an active shooter situation and they wanted to play hero. If he had actually had a gun, why the hell would the cops pull within ten feet of him and burst out of the car screaming and pointing their guns? It's literally the most dangerous tactic for everyone involved, including the cops. The options are instant compliance (difficult even if desired under that kind of intense situation), or a shootout. Why? Why are those acceptable tactics, even if you judge them not criminally liable for the killing?
post #3655 of 6095
They didn't even give him time to comply!! That's what's so insane about these cases, there is often not even the option to follow orders, the cops just roll up and start blasting. That kid had like one second from the time the door opened to the time he was shot and killed. \

Never mind of course that failure to follow orders is not a crime punishable by death, sentence to be carried out by the officer sans judicial oversight.
post #3656 of 6095
Don't forget they also left the kid to die on the ground without any medical attention. Once they secured the gun they would have immediately known it was a toy, yet they did nothing to try to save his life. It wasn't until a FBI agent rolled up several minutes later that Tamir Rice was treated with anything but callous indifference.
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

They didn't even give him time to comply!! That's what's so insane about these cases, there is often not even the option to follow orders, the cops just roll up and start blasting. That kid had like one second from the time the door opened to the time he was shot and killed. \

Never mind of course that failure to follow orders is not a crime punishable by death, sentence to be carried out by the officer sans judicial oversight.

It's not even clear that they said anything to him. They assumed there was a threat, it was confirmed by some motion towards his waistband and pop pop pop.

It was literally two seconds, and they had their guns out the instant they got out of the car.


The thing that's going to make people talk past each other about this, is that if you freeze frame for just that little exchange, you could justify the police believing they might get shot and having to make that decision. But they never actually needed to put themselves in the situation to have to make such a call.
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Racism is the new black.
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Disgruntled black customer, police called, mestizo Hispanic male stopped by police, police dog is released and mauls 1½ year old child strapped in car seat.  City of Henderson settles with the family for $13k but does not want to pay $8,500 legal fees for the family.  Officers involved are back on duty protecting and serving the community

 

 

 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/horrifying-video-shows-cops-sic-k-9-on-infant-daughter-of-a-man-they-mistook-for-a-suspect/

 

 

Couple of thoughts:  

 

$13,000?  Who represented the family? 

Why didn't the officers involved at the very least get reprimanded?

Waiting for Ata's response

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

Disgruntled black customer, police called, mestizo Hispanic male stopped by police, police dog is released and mauls 1½ year old child strapped in car seat.  City of Henderson settles with the family for $13k but does not want to pay $8,500 legal fees for the family.  Officers involved are back on duty protecting and serving the community

 

 

 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/horrifying-video-shows-cops-sic-k-9-on-infant-daughter-of-a-man-they-mistook-for-a-suspect/

 

 

Couple of thoughts:  

 

$13,000?  Who represented the family? 

Why didn't the officers involved at the very least get reprimanded?

Waiting for Ata's response

 

Not a SF lawyer, that's for sure.

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