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post #3586 of 6081
Never change bro
post #3587 of 6081
If I don't, my clothes will really start to stink.
post #3588 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

If I don't, my clothes will really start to stink.

I see you took the elective humor writing course during your time at Cooley Law.
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I see you took the elective humor writing course during your time at Cooley Law.

I've kept all my elective humor in 2016 election threads.
post #3590 of 6081
Sorry guys, I'm with 'Turk on this one. The trial clearly should have had a change of venue.
post #3591 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Sorry guys, I'm with 'Turk on this one. The trial clearly should have had a change of venue.


Who's arguing about that?Seems I'm not the only one who needs a reading comprehension course

post #3592 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Sorry guys, I'm with 'Turk on this one. The trial clearly should have had a change of venue.

I think it's completely reasonable to come to that conclusion, as long as the same standards are actually applied, consistently and fairly, to all defendants who seek a change of venue -- not just police officer defendants.
post #3593 of 6081
When was the last case where there were riots and mobs outside of courthouses demanding conviction that didn't involve a cop defendant?
post #3594 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

When was the last case where there were riots and mobs outside of courthouses demanding conviction that didn't involve a cop defendant?
Can you prove there aren't a dozen going on right now?
post #3595 of 6081
Could if I wanted to.
post #3596 of 6081
I rarely agree with Ata (except on the Star Trek reboots) but that letter is clearly incendiary and designed to influence the jurors. Even if the jurors themselves didn't receive it if their neighbours did there's a significant chance of it influencing their opinion. This trial should have definitely been moved, probably out of state. Send it to fucking Alaska.

I hate cops, and these guys are guilty of something. But this is not the way to go about convicting them.
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I see you took the elective humor writing course during your time at Cooley Law.

Oh shit son, shots fired.
post #3597 of 6081
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I think it's completely reasonable to come to that conclusion, as long as the same standards are actually applied, consistently and fairly, to all defendants who seek a change of venue -- not just police officer defendants.

I think this is incorrect. Whether or not this particular case requires a change of venue is in no way influenced by past or future consistency in other cases. What is fair and ethical in this case is determined only by the factors surrounding trying this case. How the systemic application of this doctrine is applied is a completely different conversation, and if what we're really seeking here is justice for these particular defendants, irrelevant to the decision of a venue change.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I think this is incorrect. Whether or not this particular case requires a change of venue is in no way influenced by past or future consistency in other cases. What is fair and ethical in this case is determined only by the factors surrounding trying this case. How the systemic application of this doctrine is applied is a completely different conversation, and if what we're really seeking here is justice for these particular defendants, irrelevant to the decision of a venue change.

I don't think we disagree in substance. The point of my comment was that while the legal standards for evaluating a change of venue request are doctrinally the same, in practical terms the concept of justice for particular defendants usually gets relatively short shrift when the defendants aren't cops. There are all sorts of reasons for that, including the practical reality that cop defendants are relatively rare.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I don't think we disagree in substance. The point of my comment was that while the legal standards for evaluating a change of venue request are doctrinally the same, in practical terms the concept of justice for particular defendants usually gets relatively short shrift when the defendants aren't cops. There are all sorts of reasons for that, including the practical reality that cop defendants are relatively rare.

While I agree with all of that I still can't get from Point A to Point B in thinking what is right and proper in this case is decided on factors other than those surrounding this case.
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While I agree with all of that I still can't get from Point A to Point B in thinking what is right and proper in this case is decided on factors other than those surrounding this case.

Two wrongs make a right. Duh.
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