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post #3301 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

Yes, you said:

 

 

My point is she clearly was doing something to get kicked out of class.  In danger of being Turk, we don't have the whole video.  I don't know what she was doing, but I'm willing to bet she was being obnoxious which lead to the incident to begin with.

Does that justify his behavior? No.

 

As far as it has been reported, she pulled out her cell phone in class for a moment and the teacher asked for it.  When she refused to give it to him, he called for an administrator.  Par for course for a teenager.  It doesn't seem to rise to the level of obnoxious kid IMO.

post #3302 of 6095
I think we all need to admit he was lucky to get home safe at the end of his shift.

Picked up by the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34650484
post #3303 of 6095
They seem to be good at escalating situations.
post #3304 of 6095
He is a civil rights hero.



I don't think its enough to say, he overreacted.

What should he have done?

Its a cop out (pun intended) to say, "not my job, not my problem."

Should he have grabbed, then wrestled, then tackled? Perhaps. But no one is offering any alternatives.

My position is, you can't allow someone to defy lawful instructions. To do so is to invite chaos, mayhem, and bloodshed.
post #3305 of 6095
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A third video came out. Nothing to see here folks, looks like the proper way to subdue a teenage girl to me.

Most fathers would be out for blood if someone did that to their daughter.

I would have asked the teacher to grab an end and carried the goddamn desk out of the classroom.
post #3306 of 6095
Since everyone apparently expects me to defend every cop who loses his temper, I figure I'll give it a shot.

I spun the wheel and got this:



She was asking for it?
post #3307 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Most fathers would be out for blood if someone did that to their daughter.

I agree.

But what was the cop supposed to do.

I am admittedly being a contrarian, but I genuinely want to hear a better way to handle a situation. The safest use of force is a decisive use of force. In, out, done. That's what cops are taught.

My suggestion would be for the SRO to ask everyone else to leave the room, then try to de-escalate. If that failed, I would call for backup to avoid the 1 on 1 aspect, knowing that I would be accused of being a loser and a chicken by the public (us and the twitter net) and by fellow officers.

Am I the only one to offer any alternative?

I say again, just standing there in a stare off contest is not acceptable.
post #3308 of 6095
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Since everyone apparently expects me to defend every cop who loses his temper, I figure I'll give it a shot.

We only expect it because it's happened 100% of the time.
post #3309 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

I agree.

But what was the cop supposed to do.

I am admittedly being a contrarian, but I genuinely want to hear a better way to handle a situation. The safest use of force is a decisive use of force. In, out, done. That's what cops are taught.

My suggestion would be for the SRO to ask everyone else to leave the room, then try to de-escalate. If that failed, I would call for backup to avoid the 1 on 1 aspect, knowing that I would be accused of being a loser and a chicken by the public (us and the twitter net) and by fellow officers.

Am I the only one to offer any alternative?

I say again, just standing there in a stare off contest is not acceptable.

It seems obvious to me. Continue teaching the class like nothing happened and then suspended her after class. why did anything have to be done then other than pride?
post #3310 of 6095
I have no problem with using force to remove her from the desk, but the guy was very careless in the way he did it. He could have broken her neck. So, no, I don't approve of that based on what I've seen. Whether there were exigent circumstances or some mitigating factor not shown in the six-second video clips, I don't know.
post #3311 of 6095
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It seems obvious to me. Continue teaching the class like nothing happened and then suspended her after class. why did anything have to be done then other than pride?


The teacher must be perceived to have control of his classroom. If the teacher is not in charge, no one will learn. They will drop out of school and become Democrats.
post #3312 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

 

It seems obvious to me. Continue teaching the class like nothing happened and then suspended her after class. why did anything have to be done then other than pride?

I agree. Ive raised three teenagers and I always found that the best way to de-escalate is to give the little turd a bit of time to sit and ponder on what a jerk they are being. The best way to escalate is to demand immediate compliance under threat of force.All that authoritarian drama over an incident that seemed in no way threatening or even disruptive to the other class members was just self indulgence on the adults part . The whole idea is to teach them how to behave  responsibly , all anyone got from that incident was if people don't do what you tell them just beat their ass 

post #3313 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I have no problem with using force to remove her from the desk, but the guy was very careless in the way he did it. He could have broken her neck. So, no, I don't approve of that based on what I've seen. Whether there were exigent circumstances or some mitigating factor not shown in the six-second video clips, I don't know.

I don't know how else you can remove a person sitting in a desk like that. Move the entire desk as suggested by suited above, perhaps on a flat dolly, and wheel her out.
post #3314 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

I agree.

But what was the cop supposed to do.

He could have dragged the desk out of the classroom with her in it, or with the teachers help carried it out. If she stood up when they attempted this, remove the desk and make her stand or sit on the ground for rest of the class if she insists on staying.
post #3315 of 6095
I watched the video carefully, trying to determine if SRO intended to drop the chair, or if that occurred as a result of resistance.

Based on my review, the SRO intended to flip the chair and student on her back. He moves toward her leg with his left hand. I thought she may have been driving the chair back with her feet, but her feet are probably trying to establish balance.

They were both spoiling to fight, and got what they wanted.
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