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post #3286 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

"Scared for their lives." Give me a break.

 

They all looked cowed.  Observe  the girl sitting directly behind the one that got tossed.  Her face was in her hands, the chair hit her desk and knocked it backwards, she jumped and then looked back down.  That is not a normal reaction.

post #3287 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

Agreed.  While the cop's behavior was excessive, let's not act like the girl in question was being reasonable.

 

Are SRO's considered cops or are they for all intents and purposes security guards

 

Teenager oftentimes are not reasonable people. They are obstinate and mouthy.  The girl in question didn't seem to be mouthy but clearly she was obstinate.  How Mr. Powerlifter chose to deal with her was disgraceful.  

post #3288 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

What is this obnoxious behaviour that you speak of?

Says in the article that the teacher told her to leave the classroom and she refused. Presumably you don't get kicked out of class for being an angel.
post #3289 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Says in the article that the teacher told her to leave the classroom and she refused. Presumably you don't get kicked out of class for being an angel.


The officer acted appropriately.

All children have the right to an education. The disruptive student was interfering with that civil right. If my child were in that classroom, I would applaud the immediate removal of the disruptive student. We have sent armies to southern states to enforce such civil rights.

Second, the cop had a choice. Either the child is allowed to stay, and control the classroom, or the child has to go. Does anyone here vote "Stay"? If so, schools would have no ability to actually teach.

The child had to go under the law. Use of force must be decisive. If the child wasn't injured, then why isn't this officer being rewarded for good police work?
post #3290 of 6095
lol
post #3291 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

 

Are SRO's considered cops or are they for all intents and purposes security guards

 

Teenager oftentimes are not reasonable people. They are obstinate and mouthy.  The girl in question didn't seem to be mouthy but clearly she was obstinate.  How Mr. Powerlifter chose to deal with her was disgraceful.  

 

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.  In my experience, the police don't randomly walk into classrooms and try to remove kids.  They also, in my experience are real police officers.

 

Gib raised an unanswered question about what to do with obstinate kids in a classroom.  Kids are in school to learn and obstinate and disruptive kids have no place in the classroom because one student can completely disrupt the class.  I don't think it is unreasonable to have a kid forcibly removed from a class.  Again, the actions of the officer were extreme and unwarranted, but that wasn't the basis of my comment. 

post #3292 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.  In my experience, the police don't randomly walk into classrooms and try to remove kids.  They also, in my experience are real police officers.

 

Gib raised an unanswered question about what to do with obstinate kids in a classroom.  Kids are in school to learn and obstinate and disruptive kids have no place in the classroom because one student can completely disrupt the class.  I don't think it is unreasonable to have a kid forcibly removed from a class.  Again, the actions of the officer were extreme and unwarranted, but that wasn't the basis of my comment. 

 

I do not know how to handle a situation like this but then again it is not my job to know.  One would think a guard working in a high school would have had some type of training on how to deal with teens.  But to go from a verbal command to WWF/MMA fight night move is at best repugnant and I suspect is not a part of their training and/or documented procedure 

post #3293 of 6095
When I was in 6th grade a new teacher flipped a desk with my friend in it (he was being an ass) she was fired that day.
post #3294 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

 

I do not know how to handle a situation like this but then again it is not my job to know.  One would think a guard working in a high school would have had some type of training on how to deal with teens.  But to go from a verbal command to WWF/MMA fight night move is at best repugnant and I suspect is not a part of their training and/or documented procedure 

 

Again, you're arguing a straw man.  I'm not defending the guard.  I was just objecting to your characterization of the kid.

 

 

post #3295 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Gib raised an unanswered question about what to do with obstinate kids in a classroom. 

You sure no one answered it? wink.gif
post #3296 of 6095
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

Again, you're arguing a straw man.  I'm not defending the guard.  I was just objecting to your characterization of the kid.

 

 

 

Objecting to my characterization? I said she was obstinate.  Clearly she wasn't boisterous or violent

post #3297 of 6095
The actions of the SRO teaches so many wrong things to those kids. I always thought the whole idea of "school" was that adults helped children become productive and responsible citizens. I don't think this fostered that goal. Ignoring the kid was always an option but obviously showing her who was boss was the important thing here.
post #3298 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

 

Objecting to my characterization? I said she was obstinate.  Clearly she wasn't boisterous or violent

 

Yes, you said:

 

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 What is this obnoxious behaviour that you speak of?

 

My point is she clearly was doing something to get kicked out of class.  In danger of being Turk, we don't have the whole video.  I don't know what she was doing, but I'm willing to bet she was being obnoxious which lead to the incident to begin with.

Does that justify his behavior? No.

post #3299 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The actions of the SRO teaches so many wrong things to those kids. I always thought the whole idea of "school" was that adults helped children become productive and responsible citizens. I don't think this fostered that goal. Ignoring the kid was always an option but obviously showing her who was boss was the important thing here.


I don't think ignoring the kid is an option. That gives one kid veto power over a whole class. This veto would essentially deprive minority kids of an education in schools located in bad neighborhoods.

If we are looking for a happy medium, the SRO could have called in five or six other officers to have complete control of the situation (making an abrupt move unnecessary), but that isn't economically feasible.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The actions of the SRO teaches so many wrong things to those kids. I always thought the whole idea of "school" was that adults helped children become productive and responsible citizens. I don't think this fostered that goal. Ignoring the kid was always an option but obviously showing her who was boss was the important thing here.

She was being defiant even as she was taken to the ground with her silence. When she was beat as a child she didn't make a peep. She didn't want to give the adults the satisfaction of her weeping, and "teaching her lesson." This is just the beginning. She has way more beatdowns coming her way, because of her shitty attitude. No humility whatsoever, or respect for anyone.
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