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post #31 of 6095
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post

the problem is, we never have videos of the beginnings of these things. I honestly find it hard to believe that a group of cops approach a law abiding citizen and, without warning, start wailing on him. so, if they come up to him and ask him a question and he tries to run, or mouths off, or swings, sure, violence might happen. and that sucks and it isn't excusable. a cop asks me a question, I answer him/her politely, it isn't that painful.

Sure he may not have did everything perfectly to cower to perceived authority, and he's not all mentally there, but it in no way justified their actions. The guy is sitting down (at around the 15 minute mark is when the beating starts) and the cop threatens to beat his ass. The cop then harasses him some more, the guy stands up, and then he gets beat to death. Don't believe me...here's the surveillance footage. All 33 minutes of it.

Also note: This isn't one cop beating one man. There are plenty of cops there holding him down and they are still beating him to the point of death.

post #32 of 6095
These assholes have no obligation to come to your aid when some muggers are beating you to death but they feel obligated to beat you to death on a whim. How fucked up is that? Like Harvey says you have the right and are under no legal obligation to answer any question by any cop at any time. Of course you might find yourself in a situation where they'll use intimidation tactics or even beat you to death if you don't do what they want. Sure sounds like brown shirt tactics to me.
post #33 of 6095
And a story of when the police aren't going to be there to protect you...

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/911-dispatcher-tells-woman-about-to-be-sexually-assaulted-there-are-no-cops-to-help-her-due-to-budget-cuts/#.UZ64ABdrF64.facebook
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JOSEPHINE COUNTY, Ore. (CBS Seattle) — An Oregon woman was told by a 911 dispatcher that authorities wouldn’t be able be able to help her as her ex-boyfriend broke into her place because of budget cuts.

Oregon Public Radio reports that an unidentified woman called 911 during a weekend in August 2012 while Michael Bellah was breaking into her place. Her call was forwarded to Oregon State Police because of lay-offs at the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office only allows the department to be open Monday through Friday.

“Uh, I don’t have anybody to send out there,” the 911 dispatcher told the woman. “You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”

The woman told the dispatcher that Bellah previously attacked her and left her hospitalized a few weeks prior to the latest incident. The dispatcher stayed on the phone with the woman for more than 10 minutes before the sexual assault took place.

“Once again it’s unfortunate you guys don’t have any law enforcement out there,” the dispatcher said, according to Oregon Public Radio.

The woman responded: “Yeah, it doesn’t matter, if he gets in the house I’m done.”


Police say Bellah choked the woman and sexually assaulted her. He was arrested by Oregon State Police following the incident.

“There isn’t a day that goes by that we don’t have another victim,” Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilberson told Oregon Public Radio. “If you don’t pay the bill, you don’t get the service.”

The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.

The sheriff’s department even put out a press release warning domestic violence victims to “consider relocating to an area with adequate law enforcement services.”

Bellah pleaded guilty to kidnapping, sex abuse and assault.
post #34 of 6095
That sheriff is a cunt.
post #35 of 6095
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

I was kidding. It's terrible what the cops did here.

post #36 of 6095
We shouldn't let a couple hundred thousand bad apples spoil the bunch.
post #37 of 6095
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post

why not cooperate? that part I don't get

And if women don't want to get raped, they shouldn't wear short skirts.
post #38 of 6095
This one is going to get press:
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/30/4892910/family-says-man-killed-by-fort.html

72 year old man shot in his own garage a couple of days ago in Fort Worth. He had a gun because a neighbor had evidently called in a burglary, but it was a rookie cop who shot the old man 6 times. No bueno.
post #39 of 6095
Maybe not over-zealous but certainly a waste of time and resources.
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If a shady character stops you on the streets of San Francisco and tries to sell you a stolen iPhone or iPad, he just might be a cop.

San Francisco Police Department officers are going undercover to peddle "stolen" Apple devices, and whoever takes the bait gets taken down (by five cops no less!). The Huffington Post's Gerry Smith reports that SFPD created a special task force three years ago to combat "Apple picking." Similar task forces can be found in New York City and Washington, D.C.

"If they steal the phone but can't sell it, there's no market," says San Francisco Police Capt. Joe Garrity. "We're cutting the head off the snake."

Capt. Joe might want to take it easy with the hyperbole, especially when Apple picking is a crime that he himself equates with purse snatching, and when San Francisco's finest could be spending more time on more serious crimes.

Around the time the SFPD was cooking up its iPhone task force, The San Francisco Examiner revealed that the department had more than 1,000 unsolved murders and about 900 unsolved rapes on its hands. A year later, San Francisco Attorney General George Gascon, who was police chief at the time of the revelation, told a reporter he had "forgot" about his department's unfinished business.

So there's no need for cops to create crimes because lots of people have already committed crimes, crimes much worse than Apple picking.
post #40 of 6095
Solving old rapes and murders is hard. Standing in the corner entrapping people into buying ipads is an easy way to get your arrest numbers up
post #41 of 6095
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Originally Posted by BDC2823 View Post

Sure he may not have did everything perfectly to cower to perceived authority, and he's not all mentally there, but it in no way justified their actions. The guy is sitting down (at around the 15 minute mark is when the beating starts) and the cop threatens to beat his ass. The cop then harasses him some more, the guy stands up, and then he gets beat to death. Don't believe me...here's the surveillance footage. All 33 minutes of it.

Also note: This isn't one cop beating one man. There are plenty of cops there holding him down and they are still beating him to the point of death.


That video was one of the more disturbing things I've ever seen ( and I've seen Mr. Hands Video). That poor bastard was beat to death in cold blood. That was murder in the first degree and rather than go to prison, as they should, those assholes will get a fucking pension.

I'm sure the usual assholes will claim that he was "resisting" but putting a hand out to protect your face when you are being pushed into the ground is not resisting, it is instinct. No matter what anyone says, if someone, cop or otherwise, slams you to the ground and chokes you, you WILL put your hand out to break your fall and try to relieve pressure on your neck.

Those cops knew that guy, knew he was mentally feeble, knew that he was not violent, knew that he was unarmed, and spent the entire video trying to get a reaction out of him. About 20 min in lead asshole cop says he is "going to start beating his face in" all while the dude just sits there.

At no time in that video did the victim act violent or make any threats. He was begging for them to stop as they beat him to death.

Fucked. Up.
post #42 of 6095
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Maybe not over-zealous but certainly a waste of time and resources.

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Are they soliciting people by saying "do you want to buy this stolen ipad?" Or is it illegal to trade in used apple products or what?
post #43 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

You're also not a mentally ill, homeless man. Regardless of any sort of early provocation, how is mouthing off to a cop a capitol offense?

You're also not a mentally ill, homeless man. I find it entirely believable that a group of police, in the face of lack of respect to their authority (cue Cartman pic), will start wailing on a person. But regardless of any sort of early provocation, how is mouthing off to a cop a capitol offense?

This.

Being mentally ill, is not a crime and police, as PUBLIC servants, need to be willing to deal with really annoying, recalcitrant crazy fucks without KILLING them.

What the fuck, in kindergarden we learn that it is not OK to respond to words with violence. So now, as adults paid to protect and serve, armed and trained to handle a variety of situations, somehow cops are given a pass to respond to words with lethal force?

Who cares if the guy was screaming a litany of insults, calling his daughter a whore, and threatening to skull fuck his mother? It in no way justifies using violence. Calling cops names is not a threat to public safety and those assholes need to just deal with it. Even if they have to stay there all night to diffuse the situation, well they ARE BEING FUCKING PAID TO DO SO!!!

Unless there is a true emergency, like a burning building full of people that the recalcitrant is blocking, there is no justification to use force just because you feel like it.
post #44 of 6095
One of the things that strikes me about that video (and I didn't watch the whole thing) is that the guy keeps saying he's going to comply but never actually does.

Police have to be able to use "violence" to force people to comply with lawful orders. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do much, would they?
post #45 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

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Are they soliciting people by saying "do you want to buy this stolen ipad?" Or is it illegal to trade in used apple products or what?

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On a cloudy afternoon in the Tenderloin district, a man in a hooded sweatshirt walks slowly along Market Street, stopping to engage people he encounters along the way. He offers a peek at the wares inside the backpack slung over his shoulder: Three new iPhones, each still sealed in a white box affixed with Apple’s logo. He stole these phones, he tells potential customers, before asking them to make an offer.
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Robert Tester, 20, of Brooklyn, was among those arrested. Tester said the undercover officer was "relentless" and insisted that he buy the iPhone, even after Tester refused. The officer claimed he needed money to buy his daughter Christmas presents, according to a federal lawsuit Tester filed against the city in January.

Tester bought the iPhone for $20 because he was "feeling sorry" for the seller and his daughter, his suit claims. He said he did not know the phone was stolen. The charges were dropped,

So it looks like they might be telling them it's stolen in SF but not in NY.
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He walks past a check-cashing shop and a boarded-up pharmacy until he attracts an interested buyer. But before the deal is done, another man dashes out of a nearby donut shop and mumbles a warning to the would-be buyer in Spanish. He suspects the seller is a cop. Suddenly nervous, the buyer walks away.

Also, I think it's clear what kind of communities they're targeting. Why aren't they going after white kids in a suburban mall who want the new iphone? You think they wouldn't pay $20 for one?
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Others question their effectiveness. San Francisco District Attorney George Gascon says decoy operations "yield little deterrence" and have failed to reduce phone thefts in the city. "The numbers don’t appear to be abating at all," Gascon said in an interview. "This is like the drug war -- the more arrests you make for drug use, the more drug use seems to go on."
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