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post #2791 of 6095
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

On further review (found a video that wasn't edited), it does appear that the officer did reach further into the car to grab at the seatbelt.

It doesn't appear that the guy in the car is holding on to him though. And why is his gun already ready to go? If you are going to pull your gun and point it at someone, why are you also reaching into the car? Wouldn't that give them a chance to grab you and try and do something like get your gun or drag you? Seems to me that if you are going to pull the gun on someone, you should let the gun motivate them to remove their seatbelt rather than trying to do it with your off hand.

You can see him reach in, but you can't see whether he's being held onto or his arm is stuck in the seatbelt or something else. But you can hear the engine revving and see that he's being pulled along.

You also can't tell whether he had the gun drawn ahead of time, or whether he pulled it as he was, himself, being pulled, not that it makes any difference.

Also, I am not sure cops have any actual legal duty to let go if they have a legal right to restrain the person (which he obviously does in this case). I tend to think not: if he'd drawn a knife and said "STAY BACK," the cop has no obligation to yield to the threat. I don't see how "if you don't let go I will keep driving and potentially kill you" is any different.
post #2792 of 6095
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

When DuBose acted as if he were impaired and showed the Officer the bottle of wine, didn't that make it into a case of securing a very probable DWI perp, and not just messing with someone that didn't have a front plate., as many are shouting.

Also, I couldn't tell on the tape if the Officer had checked anything on DuBose. If the Officer was aware that DuBose was driving on a suspended license, driving while impaired and had an extensive arrest record, would that mean anything?

Gin. Bottle looks like it was still sealed though.
post #2793 of 6095
USA today reported in a story,

"No violence or physical altercation is shown, and DuBose does not appear to be belligerent or aggressive toward Tensing. DuBose's vehicle starts to move only after the shot is fired.

That's significant because Tensing told authorities he had been dragged by the vehicle."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/29/cincinnati-motorist-killed-transcript/30848743/

I watched the video on my phone and it doesn't seem clear cut at all that the Officer definitely fired before the vehicle moved.

Have any of you watched the video on a high speed connection with a big monitor? What do you think?

Also, when the car is started, does that constitute movement? Clearly he is disobeying a lawful command ( no arguing this time ), and he intends to flee.
post #2794 of 6095
And here is USA Today"s "summary of the video",

Tensing asks for DuBose's driver's license.

DuBose tells him he has a license. "You can run my name," he said.

"Be honest," Tensing says, suggesting DuBose's license might be suspended.

Tensing asks DuBose where he lives.

"Right around the corner," DuBose says.

"Go ahead and take your seat belt off," Tensing says.

"I didn't even do nothing," Dubose says.

DuBose leans toward the passenger seat.

Without a word, Tensing fires a single shot.

DuBose slumps into the passenger seat.


The car rolls a short distance, stopping at the corner.

Tensing runs after the car.

He looks inside where DuBose is dead.

Then Tensing says, "I think I'm OK. I'm OK. He was dragging me. I thought I was going to get run over."

The video does not indicate Tensing was dragged.

The officer's lawyer, Stuart Mathews, said Tuesday night that Tensing was in fear for his life and fell down as the car was moving.

Police officers from university and Cincinnati police arrived at the scene, but authorities say their body cameras did not capture images of the shooting.

In what alternate universe is this a full and honest accounting of the video? No wonder many blame the media for a lot of what's going on today.
post #2795 of 6095
In contrast, police in the UK


That guy would have been shot at about 27 different points if he were in the US.
post #2796 of 6095
that's amazing. Even I would have shot that dude.
post #2797 of 6095
Noticed some serious violations of courtesy policies.
post #2798 of 6095
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

that's amazing. Even I would have shot that dude.

Yeah, that's the thing, right? Nobody would have blinked if that guy got shot to death in the US. It would have been 14th page, below the fold news, with a headline like "Knife wielding moron killed by cop."

But this kind of thing is routine in most of the West. Cops barely ever shoot anyone, and they still very rarely get killed. I don't know if it's better training or what. Europeans seem genuinely baffled that a cop might need to shoot someone for something like trying to drag them behind a car.
post #2799 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Yeah, that's the thing, right? Nobody would have blinked if that guy got shot to death in the US. It would have been 14th page, below the fold news, with a headline like "Knife wielding moron killed by cop."

But this kind of thing is routine in most of the West. Cops barely ever shoot anyone, and they still very rarely get killed. I don't know if it's better training or what. Europeans seem genuinely baffled that a cop might need to shoot someone for something like trying to drag them behind a car.

Well the american gun thing changes everything. I suspect we never would have gone down this fascist path if so many perps didn't have guns. Oh well.
post #2800 of 6095
I probably would of shot him. You never know. Sometimes Cops wait too long to shoot.



post #2801 of 6095
^that was ugly
post #2802 of 6095
English Bobbies don't carry guns except in very rare instances.

In the US, that ship has sailed. With all the guns in the hands of the populace, both law abiding and thugs, it would be a slaughter to take cops guns away.
post #2803 of 6095
Well, you know what they say in the UK, "Outlaw blades and only outlaws will have blades." Proof is in the pudding.

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post #2804 of 6095
That looked like a cook's knife. You can purchase chef knives, but are not allowed to own Emerson knives?
post #2805 of 6095
Serious question. After Dubose held the door closed and started the car, what was the Officer's proper response?

Just letting DuBose go seems to be what would have happened. And that's not to say this is wrong. AAMOF, if DuBose was not killed, no one would know of this case.

In today's climate of resistance to police, how do cops avoid, and should they avoid, people fleeing from offenses like DWIs.
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