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post #2746 of 6095
I didn't watch the video, but by all indications it was a state-owned liquor store, and I'm betting it had a no loitering sign in front.

The judge's ruling sounds dubious, but then again, infowars.com is not exactly a reliable source for reporting rulings or underlying facts.
post #2747 of 6095
Dubious indeed:
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Beatty was subsequently arrested and charged with trespassing and resisting a public officer.

Fucker resisted.

Btw, it was outside the store. Generally considered public area, no? More so if owned by the government I do believe.

Oh, wait. Interstate Commerce Clause and all that doesn't apply, right?
post #2748 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I didn't watch the video, but by all indications it was a state-owned liquor store, and I'm betting it had a no loitering sign in front.

The judge's ruling sounds dubious, but then again, infowars.com is not exactly a reliable source for reporting rulings or underlying facts.

What are the indications? We don't have state-owned liquor stores in CA, so that didn't occur to me.
post #2749 of 6095
The cop is from the "Alcoholic Beverage Commission" and the name of the store is "ABC Liquor."
post #2750 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

What are the indications? We don't have state-owned liquor stores in CA, so that didn't occur to me.

Yeah, it's county owned. I'd still someone in plain clothes, not showing me a badge, to fuck off in this situation. Being who I am I will probably get away with it. Well, being who I am, he probably would not have approached me like this.
post #2751 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The cop is from the "Alcoholic Beverage Commission" and the name of the store is "ABC Liquor."

Got it - reasonable inference.

Since CA doesn't have those, this is more random data point than something that I think bears strongly on whether or not you're right about that, but . . .

California's Alcoholic Beverage Control agency also goes by "ABC", and a quick Google/Yelp search suggests that (at least here in CA) "ABC Liquors" is a super-frequent name her in CA (might be a chain, but I was too lazy to spend more than 8 seconds looking into this)

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yeah, it's county owned. I'd still someone in plain clothes, not showing me a badge, to fuck off in this situation. Being who I am I will probably get away with it. Well, being who I am, he probably would not have approached me like this.

Well, duh. We all know you wouldn't be drinking that shit.
post #2752 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Dubious indeed:
Fucker resisted.

Btw, it was outside the store. Generally considered public area, no? More so if owned by the government I do believe.

Oh, wait. Interstate Commerce Clause and all that doesn't apply, right?

Just because it's a "public" area doesn't mean you can hang out there, government property included. Though I doubt the government actually owns it since it looks like a shopping center. Regardless, they can put up no loitering signs, they can put up ABC Liquor Customer Parking Only signs, etc.

If the guy was or appeared to be loitering then the cop had the right to investigate. If he was investigating whether the guy had booze in public, and there was no reasonable suspicion for that, then how does that invalidate a trespassing arrest -- the PC for trespassing would almost certainly have been independent of the stop, assuming there was a stop in the first place. I don't have time to watch the video and I don't have the inclination to sit here speculating about the case. Maybe later.
post #2753 of 6095
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Got it - reasonable inference.

Since CA doesn't have those, this is more random data point than something that I think bears strongly on whether or not you're right about that, but . . .

California's Alcoholic Beverage Control agency also goes by "ABC", and a quick Google/Yelp search suggests that (at least here in CA) "ABC Liquors" is a super-frequent name her in CA (might be a chain, but I was too lazy to spend more than 8 seconds looking into this)
Well, duh. We all know you wouldn't be drinking that shit.

If there's any remaining ambiguity, it actually says " the Cumberland County ABC Liquor Store" and " the Cumberland County Alcoholic Beverage Commission." The capitalization in the store name suggests strongly that they're one and the same, along with the coincidence of the ABC Cop happening to be at the ABC Liquor Store.

That being said it's not concrete, 100% proof, and from my experience in this thread I no longer recognize degrees of confidence between pure speculation and absolute certainty...
post #2754 of 6095
From the article about the ruling, it sounds like the cop might have been a security officer working for the store. In that case I suppose it is reasonable that store security is allowed to ask you to leave and then nab you for trespassing if you don't.

That being said, pretty much everything else is wrong with his behavior and the judge's ruling appears to be pretty much common sense (and if I were the judge, I'd be pissed that that shit was still wading through the court system 2 years later and hadn't been dropped as soon as that video surfaced, if not immediately after the guy was booked into jail).
post #2755 of 6095
BBQ Enforcement?

post #2756 of 6095
So the arresting officer in the sandra bland case is a very close friend of mine. We were roommates in college.
post #2757 of 6095
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So the arresting officer in the sandra bland case is a very close friend of mine. We were roommates in college.

Isn't he an Aggie?
post #2758 of 6095
I guess the question would be: when did you first notice that he was the kind of guy who'd sneak into a woman's jail cell and strangle her to death with a plastic bag?
post #2759 of 6095
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So the arresting officer in the sandra bland case is a very close friend of mine. We were roommates in college.

Give us the deetz.
post #2760 of 6095
Are the citizens or the cops right in this incident,
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