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post #271 of 6235
I'm feeling the 2nd-degree murder charge has more to to with the availability of the YouTube video and subsequent public outrage than the actual incident itself.

I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, the next time I decide to hold up a streetcar with a knife and the cop screaming and pointing a gun at me tells me to drop it, I'm going to put it down before I get shot. On the other, if this kid actually did put the knife down or otherwise didn't present an immediate danger to the cop, then I suppose the charge is justified.
post #272 of 6235
...and that is why cops hate YouTube and video cameras in general.
post #273 of 6235
I'm not really sure they have enough to convict the cop of murder. Seems like a case of very poor judgment, and should get the cop fired and blackballed from ever being a cop again.
post #274 of 6235
Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

I'm not really sure they have enough to convict the cop of murder. Seems like a case of very poor judgment, and should get the cop fired and blackballed from ever being a cop again.

If a civilian did that he'd be charged. I'm not sure why we hold the Police to a lower standard of care than an ordinary person. As the police are so fond of saying they're supposed to be trained in how to handle these things.
post #275 of 6235
This is nice.

Costa Mesa Mayor Suing Police Association, Labor Law Firm for Alleged Intimidation, Harassment

Ed Krayewski|Aug. 22, 2013 2:23 pm

Costa Mesa, California mayor Jim Righeimer was visited in his house last August, when he was still a councilman, after someone called the police to report him for DUI. Righeimer hadn’t been drinking, and had the receipt from the pub to prove it. The “concerned citizen” who reported Righeimer was actually a private investigator hired by a labor law firm in California that represented dozens of police unions—Righeimer has helped lead the battle in Costa Mesa to rein in public union costs and other municipal spending and that made him an apparent target of the police union.

Now Righeimer has filed suit against the Costa Mesa police association and its former legal firm (they were dismissed shortly after the private investigator was exposed as having filed a false police report) in what some local legal experts called a “very unusual” move. But the treatment Righeimer alleges in his lawsuit isn’t. As Steven Greenhut reported when the DUI incident first happened last August:

Recently, the Orange County Register’s Tony Saavedra reported on the “playbook” used by that Upland firm [that represented the Costa Mesa police association] in its negotiations, and until recently published on the firm’s Web site. These lawyers represent 120 police associations across California, so these are typical tactics.

The fake-DUI call took place soon after Righeimer publicly criticized the firm.

“Its primer for police negotiations is part swagger, part braggadocio and all insult in its portrayal of the public and the budget-conscious officials elected to represent them,” Saavedra reported. He gave this example from the playbook text: “The association should be like a quiet giant in the position of ‘do as I ask and don’t (expletive) me off.’”

The playback calls for work slowdowns, for mobbing council meetings with calls for higher police funding, for scaring neighborhoods about crime problems by going to as many houses as possible looking for suspects for minor crimes. It calls for putting the pressure on officials, gaining their loyalty and then moving on to the “next victim.” This treatment of Righeimer takes a page out of the book.

In a follow up last October, Greenhut goes into more detail on similar bully tactics employed in Fullerton, where a pair of fiscally conservative councilmen who pressed for reforms after the killing of Kelly Thomas were also targeted, and elsewhere in California.
post #276 of 6235
Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

If a civilian did that he'd be charged. I'm not sure why we hold the Police to a lower standard of care than an ordinary person. As the police are so fond of saying they're supposed to be trained in how to handle these things.

Charged and then convicted Harvey.
post #277 of 6235
I will try to be careful in phrasing this but there is a local Judge who previously worked as a defense attorney. When he was first elected Judge he kept the same attitude and was critical of the local police department in hearings and embarrassed them publicly on more than one occasion. Then two years ago during the Christmas season he was in a minor car accident. No one was injured but when he returned to his Judgely duties his attitude had most decidedly shifted and has remained very anti-defense to this day. I have heard from many individuals, including some police officers, that the reason for his attitude shift was due to the alcohol level in his blood when the police showed up at the scene of the accident.
post #278 of 6235
Blackmail is a wonderful thing isn't it? Sounds very Hooverish.
post #279 of 6235
Nowhere else seemed appropriate and it doesn't quite seem worthy of its own thread. SWAT officer at a bookfair shot by a kid: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/09/01/lodi-police-investigating-after-child-discharges-swat-officers-gun/

If a child got a hold of my handgun, and he shot someone with it, I would probably be looking at child endangerment charges.
Edited by brokencycle - 9/3/13 at 11:06am
post #280 of 6235
Police are investigating after an officer’s gun was accidentally discharged by a child at August’s Literacy Fair in downtown Lodi.

“This should have never happened, especially in an environment where children were present,” Lodi Police Chief Mark Helms said.

On Aug. 24, SWAT Officer Robert Rench was displaying tactical equipment to children at the Lodi Public Library. A boy — around 6 to 8 years old — walked up behind Rench and pulled the trigger of his holstered handgun, say officials.

Anyone else disturbed by the fact that local SWAT was out Hitler Youthing it at a Literacy Fair in the first place? That should be the real story here.
post #281 of 6235
That's one of about 15 troublesome aspects of that story.
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post #283 of 6235
Baltimore police were searching for a suspect who was apparently hiding in the basement stairwell of Ed Augustine’s home when they shot Augustine’s pitbull. They claimed the dog charged at them. Now Augustine and his step-daughter are suing the police department. The Huffington Post reports:

In papers filed in the Circuit Court of Maryland for Baltimore City at the end of August, Augustine said that he followed his dog onto the back porch and found that in "spite of the unusual stimuli around him, Kincaid's hair remained unruffled and his teeth concealed by his relaxed face." As one officer was arresting the suspect, the suit alleges, Augustine was in the process of securing Kincaid's harness and asking the second officer not to shoot.

Police officials said that Kincaid lunged at one of the officers. That officer fired six bullets, three of which hit the dog, two in his head and one in his body, according to media reports. The lawsuit alleges that officers laughed after Kincaid was shot and threatened to arrest Augustine if he touched his dog's body.


post #284 of 6235
Last time I checked it's the police who have vicious attack dogs and they like to let them loose on people all the time. Good luck if you shoot one of them when the police sick one on you for no good reason. Fucking double standards.

I think everyone needs to video tape the police whenever they encounter a citizen. I also think everyone should do what the lawyers say to do and refuse to answer any and all questions along with a few other things. Perhaps when they are alienated to the point where no one will even say good morning to them they'll get it.
post #285 of 6235
Remember sometimes the police might be right.

We don't have all the information on this case yet


But apparently Pine Bluff Arkansas SWAT officers killed a 107 year old man.

As we all know, criminals get incrementally nastier and worse when they pass 100 years old. This bad actor was 107. Imagine what a nasty SOB he might have been if the police let him live to 110 years old.
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