or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › WTF over-zealous police?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

WTF over-zealous police? - Page 178

post #2656 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Let's not forget that this controversy isn't supposed to be about whether Bland was arrested in a nice way, but whether she killed herself or was murdered in her jail cell.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-main/index.html
It also notes that she had marijuana in her system at the time she died, not sure how long that persists, but it lends credence to the theory that the cigarette smoking was intended to cover up the smell of marijuana smoke.

Yes, the fact that she smoked pot at some point clearly settles the issue of "whether she killed herself or was murdered in jail."
post #2657 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

That's a unwarranted assumption and that is the issue. He instigated the lane change and made it worse by not allowing her to smoke and then even worse by not letting her go on her way.

Well, I think suited is really asking about a hypothetical, not so much about this incident in particular. As in, what's the "best" way for a an officer to get someone out of a car when they have good reason to do so but the person won't cooperate.
post #2658 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Yes, the fact that she smoked pot at some point clearly settles the issue of "whether she killed herself or was murdered in jail."

Once again you're really stretching credulity to misinterpret my posts. Was "it also says" too ambiguous a transition for you?
post #2659 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Once again you're really stretching credulity to misinterpret my posts. Was "it also says" too ambiguous a transition for you?

Nope, thanks. I understood that was the point at which you began trying to rehabilitate a failed earlier argument that has no bearing whatsoever on what you had just identified as the real issue at hand.
post #2660 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It also notes that she had marijuana in her system at the time she died, not sure how long that persists, but it lends credence to the theory that the cigarette smoking was intended to cover up the smell of marijuana smoke.

It lends credence to the theory that she smokes marijuana, which is not exactly controversial. It does nothing to support the "theory" that she was smoking at the time of the arrest, a "theory" which has exactly zero evidence to support it.

But hey, she might have been because she smokes weed and people are known to smoke cigarettes to cover up weed. Sure.
post #2661 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Let's not forget that this controversy isn't supposed to be about whether Bland was arrested in a nice way, but whether she killed herself or was murdered in her jail cell.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-main/index.html
It also notes that she had marijuana in her system at the time she died, not sure how long that persists, but it lends credence to the theory that the cigarette smoking was intended to cover up the smell of marijuana smoke.

Marijuana can be detected by blood test for 6 months or so after it has been smoked/eaten
post #2662 of 6072
Various reports seem to say it was a lot and it was recent, as in she had done it while in jail. That's something else. She's got money for dope but not to bail out? She just needed $500, right?

She also had relatively recent but too old to have stemmed from this incident (2+ weeks) cutting marks on her wrists.

You wonder whether she just decided to kill herself in the jail to get attention. If that's the case, she succeeded.
post #2663 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Nope, thanks. I understood that was the point at which you began trying to rehabilitate a failed earlier argument that has no bearing whatsoever on what you had just identified as the real issue at hand.

A failed argument according to you, but how can I be sure you didn't just misconstrue it?

And I never said it was the real issue at hand, I said it's what this controversy is supposed to be about -- you know, the utterly unsupported claims that she was murdered in her jail cell, the ones that have been occupying the MSM and the social justice warriors for the last week?
post #2664 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Marijuana can be detected by blood test for 6 months or so after it has been smoked/eaten

I don't buy that time frame for even a heavy user.
post #2665 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Various reports seem to say it was a lot and it was recent, as in she had done it while in jail. That's something else. She's got money for dope but not to bail out? She just needed $500, right?

She also had relatively recent but too old to have stemmed from this incident (2+ weeks) cutting marks on her wrists.

You wonder whether she just decided to kill herself in the jail to get attention. If that's the case, she succeeded.

 

AFAIK you can't test for when marijuana was smoked, only narrow it down to a time period

post #2666 of 6072
She'd been in jail for three days. Pretty sure they can narrow it down that much based on how much of it had metabolized.
post #2667 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

She'd been in jail for three days. Pretty sure they can narrow it down that much based on how much of it had metabolized.

it would depend on if she was a heavy user and had it in her system already. blood test for thc could give a relative range of recent exposure, but it's within days (i.e. not hours).
post #2668 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post


I don't buy that time frame for even a heavy user.

 

I used to do a lot of DOD contracting and took drug tests regularly.  I have witnessed what happens when cleared individuals fail drug tests.  Ironically cocaine, the "worser" drug is out of your system and undetectable in a far shorter period of time.  Do a line of coke today and you will pass a drug test 2 weeks from now.

post #2669 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

I used to do a lot of DOD contracting and took drug tests regularly.  I have witnessed what happens when cleared individuals fail drug tests.  Ironically cocaine, the "worser" drug is out of your system and undetectable in a far shorter period of time.  Do a line of coke today and you will pass a drug test 2 weeks from now.

not disagreeing with that - just the prior statement that thc can be detected in blood 6 mo post-usage. gc/ms testing of urine is very sensitive and the references I have say up to 77 days for a 10-day clear for very heavy users. heavy cocaine use can go out to ~3 weeks.
post #2670 of 6072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It lends credence to the theory that she smokes marijuana, which is not exactly controversial. It does nothing to support the "theory" that she was smoking at the time of the arrest, a "theory" which has exactly zero evidence to support it.

But hey, she might have been because she smokes weed and people are known to smoke cigarettes to cover up weed. Sure.

We already knew she was a marijuana user based on her prior arrests for marijuana, which, IIRC, stemmed from traffic stops.

If she's a marijuana user, carries it with her in the car, and is traveling, she's probably smoking it in the car. She's probably worried about the smell persisting whether she was smoking it at the exact moment she was stopped or not. I don't think it's strong evidence, but this is hardly pure speculation or "no evidence."

And, I guess I should reiterate, it doesn't really matter whether she really was trying to cover up the smell of dope, only whether her actions raised that suspicion.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Events, Power and Money
Styleforum › Forums › General › Current Events, Power and Money › WTF over-zealous police?