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A criminal lawyer making 200k in his second year? Isn't that rather unheard of?
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Must be why I make $200K+ as a 2nd year.

I tried to actually provide facts.  You confused my comments which were about custodial interrogation versus an interview.  Also the deprivation of food, drink, water etc. has be used to assert a confession under duress. 

I'm out, you're clueless.  I've argued these cases and won every time.
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200K? Welcome to 1994.

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A criminal lawyer making 200k in his second year? Isn't that rather unheard of?

Not if they blow the senior partner on a regular basis.

It's definitely above the norm for a second-year at one of the BigLaw firms that use a tiered salary structure.* But really (I know this isn't lost on you) it doesn't matter, since the implicit assumption that what you're paid as a second year associate in any way indicates whether you know your ass from a hole in the ground is textual clue #58 that he's either a high school student who participated in some mock trial program or someone who works in the reprographics department of a law firm.



*I should qualify that, though. I don't really know what BigLaw bonus norms are these days, because it's no longer relevant for me. But I wouldn't have too much trouble believing that a second-year associate at a high-paying firm might clear $200K all in, including bonus.
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'I WAS IN THE SHOWER! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?' Arizona cop illegally enters woman's home and arrests her naked

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Not if they blow the senior partner on a regular basis.

It's definitely above the norm for a second-year at one of the BigLaw firms that use a tiered salary structure.* But really (I know this isn't lost on you) it doesn't matter, since the implicit assumption that what you're paid as a second year associate in any way indicates whether you know your ass from a hole in the ground is textual clue #58 that he's either a high school student who participated in some mock trial program or someone who works in the reprographics department of a law firm.



*I should qualify that, though. I don't really know what BigLaw bonus norms are these days, because it's no longer relevant for me. But I wouldn't have too much trouble believing that a second-year associate at a high-paying firm might clear $200K all in, including bonus.

You know I'm a civilian but somehow I just never figured BigLaw would have a department where they've got someone fresh out of school pleading criminal cases (as he's indicated he has). I figured BigLaw was more business oriented?
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Must be why I make $200K+ as a 2nd year.

I tried to actually provide facts.  You confused my comments which were about custodial interrogation versus an interview.  Also the deprivation of food, drink, water etc. has be used to assert a confession under duress. 

I'm out, you're clueless.  I've argued these cases and won every time.

This sounds more like a Better Call Saul than it does someone making 200k in his second year in BigLaw.

Also, are second year folks in big firms usually lead chair arguing cases?
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He didn't say he argued them as a hired lawyer. You can argue your own case when you're the defendant.
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You know I'm a civilian but somehow I just never figured BigLaw would have a department where they've got someone fresh out of school pleading criminal cases (as he's indicated he has). I figured BigLaw was more business oriented?

Generally, yes. I was just using that as a benchmark. As I said, there are so many details about his BS posts (which he appears to have gone back and edited heavily) that don't even make sense that I doubt about he's even a lawyer.
That's why it's a bit hard to suss out what his schtick actually is.
But you're generally right. Outside of a pretty small group of folks in the white collar niche, most BigLaw firms don't handle much criminal work at all. If a second year associate were handling appellate arguments (in a real court as opposed to a school mock court program or something, which seems far more likely here), it most likely would be through some sort of pro bono or mentoring opportunity program. And if he were arguing and winning (or losing for that matter -- just seeing a result) within a two-year career, he'd have to be practicing somewhere where the courts are a lot less backed up than they are in my neck of the woods. Around here I think the average time from the completion of briefing to the scheduling of your oral argument (if one is held) is something like nine months. It'll usually be another couple of months before the argument date itself, and then the judges have to reach a decision, draft opinions, etc. To actually get a decision from an appellate court rarely takes less than a year; it often takes far longer. In one of the last cases I handled before going in-house, the record was closed in December 2011 and there's still been no decision.
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You don't know the law but you're correcting me regardless.  Wouldn't expect anything less from another lawyer 

I'm going to guess he knows quite a bit more about the law than you.

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Originally Posted by Jmm722 View Post


Must be why I make $200K+ as a 2nd year.

I tried to actually provide facts.  You confused my comments which were about custodial interrogation versus an interview.  Also the deprivation of food, drink, water etc. has be used to assert a confession under duress. 

I'm out, you're clueless.  I've argued these cases and won every time.

A 2nd year has "argued these cases and won every time"? So you won a single case as a third chair or as an associate who wasn't even invited to the court room for prime time? Also, the needless dick swinging makes me guess you don't make anything near $200k
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3. Your last point is a jumbled mess. Whether or not you're being detained doesn't turn on bathroom breaks or getting food. And saying that giving people who are confessing food "defeats a claim of duress or coerced confessions" is absurd. Where did you come up with that? Cops give people being interrogated food for a variety of reasons, including the desire to play the whole "hey buddy I'm on your side here" routine. But a coerced confession doesn't become legit just because the copy gave the a danish.

Oh, and having said all that -- good call, cycle, on waiting for Birdman. He does this stuff for a living. I don't really, anymore, at least not in a context where I have to deal with these issues regularly. If I fucked it all up he can correct it.

I would admit to anything for some kringle right now.
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I would admit to anything for some kringle right now.
You kids and your crazy euphemisms . . .
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You know I'm a civilian but somehow I just never figured BigLaw would have a department where they've got someone fresh out of school pleading criminal cases (as he's indicated he has). I figured BigLaw was more business oriented?
This sounds more like a Better Call Saul than it does someone making 200k in his second year in BigLaw.

Also, are second year folks in big firms usually lead chair arguing cases?

I am not a lawyer, but I worked for a company that sells products every lawyer has used, so I used to be in large (and medium) law firms all the time. You would be surprised how poorly many of them are run - they are not very business oriented often (some are amazingly run).

Anyway, I do know that the top NY or Chicago firms might pay $200k with bonus to a 2nd year, but that's the 1% of the 1%. And as lawyerdad said, BigLaw doesn't do much criminal law.
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I worked for a company that sells products every lawyer has used.

Hey, give booth a call - he's looking for one of those. Preferably solar.
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You kids and your crazy euphemisms . . .

It is a Danish pastry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kringle

In fact, O&H, which is highlighted in the Wikipedia article was not very far from home.
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Also, the needless dick swinging makes me guess you don't make anything near $200k

Seems like you guys agree on that much, at least. smile.gif
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If you have to tell people that you're wealthy and sophisticated then you're neither. The well-to-do don't need to prove anything, the fakes do.
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^ Oh, snap!
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A cardinal rule of litigation, whether criminal or civil:
Don't let your client open his idiot mouth until you're certain you've vetted every single prior statement he's made. (And even then 95% of them should just keep their fat mouths shut, but that's a different issue.)
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