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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Part of the problem is that the cops aren't just being cynical in portraying their job as dangerous. They really believe that they are in constant danger and that a non-trivial fraction of the population may try to kill them at any time. There have been a number of articles recently about how this need for constant hypervigilance is beaten into their heads in the academy. No wonder some of them are twitchy enough to end up with unnecessary shootings.

That's a good point. There's the real danger, which has whatever objective magnitude it has. Then there's the subjective experience of it, which can be a whole other thing both for individuals and for institutions.
post #2387 of 6095
We've been through this already. The statistics for cops are misleading for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that not all cops face the same hazards -- many sit at desks, have administrative or investigative roles, etc., and are still called cops. That dillutes the statistics; it's not the case for fishermen, garbage collectors, etc.

It also fails to take into account that deaths are a poor measure of danger. The fact that great strides have been made in police tactics, body armor, emergency medical care, etc., doesn't mean that the cops are in fewer life and death situations. No doubt that the police attitudes and protective measures you're using the statistics to criticize are to some degree responsible for the job appearing to be safer than it is.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

We've been through this already. The statistics for cops are misleading for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that not all cops face the same hazards -- many sit at desks, have administrative or investigative roles, etc., and are still called cops. That dillutes the statistics; it's not the case for fishermen, garbage collectors, etc.

It also fails to take into account that deaths are a poor measure of danger. The fact that great strides have been made in police tactics, body armor, emergency medical care, etc., doesn't mean that the cops are in fewer life and death situations. No doubt that the police attitudes and protective measures you're using the statistics to criticize are to some degree responsible for the job appearing to be safer than it is.

Turk has a point. There is a certain level of bias in the statistics. I think an interesting slice of the data would be the number of homicides in general to number of police killed in the line of duty. My guess is that there would be a couple of outliers where police are killed at a higher frequency. Are those outliers also the same where there tend to be more police shootings too?
post #2389 of 6095
I'm fairly certain that as a divorce and criminal defense attorney I have the most dangerous job out there. I've been stabbed, knocked the hell down on the ground, had two windshields broken, and 2 tires slashed.










EDIT - In fairness, one of those tires was from an ex-girlfriend.
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I'm fairly certain that as a divorce and criminal defense attorney I have the most dangerous job out there. I've been stabbed, knocked the hell down on the ground, had two windshields broken, and 2 tires slashed.










EDIT - In fairness, one of those tires was from an ex-girlfriend.

You read about divorce attorneys getting killed somewhat regularly - it could just be observation bias - but only hear about criminal defense attorneys getting offed by gang leaders for failing to get a not guilty in the movies.
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

This should make everyone feel better:

http://blog.ctnews.com/connecticutpostings/2015/06/11/cop-injured-by-naked-woman/

That story had a little of everything. Wonderful, warms the cockles of my withered little heart.
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

This should make everyone feel better:

http://blog.ctnews.com/connecticutpostings/2015/06/11/cop-injured-by-naked-woman/

I guess this LEO didn't get home at the end of his shift safely. I'm surprised a tampon to the face didn't end up with him shooting the both people since they were armed with biological weapons.
post #2395 of 6095
Sex is always fun until someone loses an eye.
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/ramsay snow
post #2397 of 6095
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2015/06/wife_shot_by_neptune_police_officer_dies.html
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Neptune cop charged with shooting, killing ex-wife in front of daughter

ASBURY PARK — Fueled by a child custody dispute, a recently divorced Neptune Township police officer shot and killed his former wife in broad daylight on Tuesday in front of their daughter on an Asbury Park street, authorities said.

Phillip Seidle, 51, a 22-year veteran with the Neptune Township Police Department, was charged with murder in the shooting death of his ex-wife Tamara Seidle on Sewall Avenue, said First Assistant Monmouth County Prosecutor Marc LeMieux

Seidle, a sergeant with the police department, was arrested after he fired several shots into his ex-wife's car after a short chase through Asbury Park.

At around 11:30 a.m., Asbury Park police officers responded to an unrelated car crash at Sewall and Ridge avenues, LeMieux said. Officers on scene then saw a 2012 black Volkswagen Jetta being driven by Tamara Seidle turn onto Sewall Avenue. Behind it, LeMieux said, was Phillip Seidle in a 2005 Honda Pilot.

The couple's 7-year-old daughter was in Phillip Seidle's passenger seat, he said.

Tamara Seidle crashed her Jetta into an unoccupied green Ford Focus, LeMieux said. At that time, LeMieux said, Phillip Seidle got out of his car, took out his .40- caliber Glock service handgun and fired "several" shots into Tamara's Seidle's car.

Phillip Seidle then put the gun to his head and started pacing around the area of Tamara Seidle's Jetta, LeMieux said.

LeMieux said officers were able to talk Phillip Seidle into handing over the couple's daughter. Once the daughter was in police custody, Phillip Seidle then fired more shots at Tamara Seidle through her front windshield, he said.

Neighbors who witnessed the shooting said Phillip Seidle crashed his car into the back of his ex-wife's car before jumping out and getting in a brief argument with her.

Several times during the standoff, Phillip Seidle complained to police about not being able to see his children as much as he wanted, the neighbors said.

"He said, "You guys don't understand. I'm tired of paying alimony. I don't get to see my children,'" said the witness, who asked not to be identified.

More at the link.

I don't find the cop killing his ex-wife particularly relevant to this thread as it occurred out of his normal police duties, but look at the bolded portion. The cops were on scene, presumably with guns drawn, and they still let him fire off several more rounds into his ex-wife. I can't imagine them letting a non-cop get away with such behavior. After the first round of shooting, that would have been it for the guy.
post #2398 of 6095
"Police seized his life savings without charging him for a crime. Now he's fighting back."

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8792623/civil-forfeiture-charles-clarke
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United States of America v. $11,000.00 in United States Currency

Jesus
post #2400 of 6095
He was going to Florida. That's a known drug hot spot. Totally justified in taking all his money.




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