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post #2176 of 6095
You can't see what immediately precipitates the arrest, but -- disorderly conduct for refusing a lawful order of a police officer? Obstruction?
post #2177 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

You can't see what immediately precipitates the arrest, but -- disorderly conduct for refusing a lawful order of a police officer? Obstruction?

What are the parameters of "a lawful order of a police officer?"
post #2178 of 6095
The girl was obviously trying to interfere.

Do you not think a cop should be able to order a crowd to stand back while they investigate or are attempting to detain a large number of suspects, especially while outnumbered like that?
post #2179 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The girl was obviously trying to interfere.

Do you not think a cop should be able to order a crowd to stand back while they investigate or are attempting to detain a large number of suspects, especially while outnumbered like that?

How is it obvious?
post #2180 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

You can't see what immediately precipitates the arrest, but -- disorderly conduct for refusing a lawful order of a police officer? Obstruction?

Well, you see as much as asshole McCop sees...

That's him running barrel-rolling onto the scene at the beginning. He was there for about 5 seconds before he went full asshole. He was probably called in as backup, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't assess the situation himself.

Some training on how to deescalate a situation might help. As far as I can tell, the situation was a clusterfuck. Did the kids know they weren't supposed to be there? Sounds like some of them may have even bought tickets to be there.

Now you have some cops show up trying to throw them around and kick them out? For an event they paid for? Of course they are pissed, and maybe they don't even think the officers have the right to kick them out/detain them. If you can't get around that barrier, people aren't going to respond well. The real offenders here (before the cops show up) are the people who planned the event.
post #2181 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The girl was obviously trying to interfere.

Do you not think a cop should be able to order a crowd to stand back while they investigate or are attempting to detain a large number of suspects, especially while outnumbered like that?

Non-responsive.
post #2182 of 6095
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

That's him running barrel-rolling onto the scene at the beginning. He was there for about 5 seconds before he went full asshole. He was probably called in as backup, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't assess the situation himself.

He does the roll after he trips while chasing some of the kids who fled. In all likelihood the cops had only been there a few seconds when that happened. They didn't have time to investigate anything.
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Some training on how to deescalate a situation might help. As far as I can tell, the situation was a clusterfuck. Did the kids know they weren't supposed to be there? Sounds like some of them may have even bought tickets to be there.

Now you have some cops show up trying to throw them around and kick them out? For an event they paid for? Of course they are pissed, and maybe they don't even think the officers have the right to kick them out/detain them. If you can't get around that barrier, people aren't going to respond well. The real offenders here (before the cops show up) are the people who planned the event.
I don't know where you're getting this information, but I bet it's from some partisan source.
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Non-responsive.

Do you want a list of every situation in which an officer can give a lawful order? I can't give you one right now. But telling crowds of bystanders to stay clear of arrests or suspects, temporarily detaining and separating suspects and witnesses during an investigation, etc., are all instructions cops are allowed to give that have to be obeyed.
post #2183 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

He does the roll after he trips while chasing some of the kids who fled. In all likelihood the cops had only been there a few seconds when that happened. They didn't have time to investigate anything.

Watch the video. One cop is talking very calmly to the kids and they respond politely, even handing him his flashlight back that he dropped. Then the asshole cop runs in and immediately escalates the situation.

Of course, none of that matters to you as you enjoy authoritarian police tactics.
post #2184 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I don't know where you're getting this information, but I bet it's from some partisan source.

There is a facebook post floating around from someone who lives in the neighborhood: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Facebook friends and family – PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…

A DJ setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJ was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.

This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.

PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.

The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.

I am asking for your help for my family and my neighbor’s safety…PLEASE, PLEASE do not rebroadcast any of these lies.

No idea how accurate this is. The DJ in question has deleted all of the tweets about the event, claims to have simply been hired and paid to play (and not to have been promoting for the event). Has tweets saying things like "I try to be the best person I can be, but some people really test that" and "To many people try to go out of their way to destroy my career. Why? They can't even say. All I'm gonna say is, bring it on. #makeurownpath" as well as a retweet from the "CEO" of DallasRagers that says "I just really dislike being lied to, specially when it comes to business" (I think this came out before the event...but they sound like the sort of people who would throw illegal parties if there was money in it).

So who knows for sure what happened. What is clear is that this party was not supposed to be happening. It was in an HOA community and not open to the general public (and any event would presumably require reserving the pool and probably paying fees to the HOA).

Didn't help that the locals made comments like "Go back to your Section 8 home" in a community that has previously paid fines for blocking the construction of affordable housing...but I certainly wouldn't be happy if a bunch of non-residents (of any skin color) hopped the fence and started throwing a party in my condo building's pool.
post #2185 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Watch the video. One cop is talking very calmly to the kids and they respond politely, even handing him his flashlight back that he dropped. Then the asshole cop runs in and immediately escalates the situation.

Of course, none of that matters to you as you enjoy authoritarian police tactics.

And surprise, screaming profanity at people while throwing them around makes everybody else edgy and uncooperative.


But yeah "Instant compliance or I whoop your ass" seems like a reasonable standard. No way that would get abused.
post #2186 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Watch the video. One cop is talking very calmly to the kids and they respond politely, even handing him his flashlight back that he dropped. Then the asshole cop runs in and immediately escalates the situation.

Of course, none of that matters to you as you enjoy authoritarian police tactics.

As another point in the racism bucket...the person taking the video is supposedly white, while all of the people on the ground are not. I think they definitely should react like they did to flashlight kid...but I am not sure I can say whether that is because the other cop wasn't an asshole or because the videographer was white (and had a camera).
post #2187 of 6095
Not seeing a single white kid on the ground speaks pretty loudly to me about the situation. Ninja Cop was way, way overreacting.
post #2188 of 6095
Considering that the cops are responding to complaints of trespassing and various disturbances perpetuated by black kids, and that some of the black kids fled as soon as they arrived, why is any of that unexpected?
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notsureifsrs. 

post #2190 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

-- Cop acts like a lunatic, including doing a completely unnecessary barrel roll and pulling out his firearm without provocation.
???

Looks like he tripped to me, but I'm not certain. I think advancing on him in a aggressive manner could classify as provocation. Drawing his gun wasn't absolutely necessary, I'm not disputing that, but these teens were just as guilty of escalating the situation as the police officer was.

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Why was bikini girl arrested?!

I don't know, but she was physically fighting with the officer in an attempt to resist arrest/be subdued. There's a time and a place to fight the police, while they're trying to slap cuffs on you is not it.
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